409 headers

[gabriel-cestaro]

hi looking for a set of 409 headers with no dents in them for a 62 impala also do not want a set where i have to cut wheel wells 4 speed
thanks gabe :) :) :) :)

[tripower]

hi looking for a set of 409 headers with no dents in them for a 62 impala also do not want a set where i have to cut wheel wells 4 speed
thanks gabe :) :) :) :)

Dougs is about your best bet or make your own. I think I am going to make mine.

[gabriel-cestaro]

show cars sells them 450.00 raw iam thinking of sending them out to be coated another 325.00 was hopeing someone had a set trying to save some money on this transplant:) :) :) :)

[tripower]

show cars sells them 450.00 raw iam thinking of sending them out to be coated another 325.00 was hopeing someone had a set trying to save some money on this transplant:) :) :) :)

Here's Dougs...

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?N=700+4294923429+4294839039+401098+4 294908216+4294923719+4294840093+115+319115&autoview=sku

[quik9r]

Would not recommend Show Cars Headers fit is terrible, lots of heating and hammering just to get to fit. They are now hanging on the wall.:mad: I have a set that are awesome and they came from Wilson Headers in 1992 the last set they had. I got the idea at the time form old issues of Super Chevy' project 62 revival had a set and I called. They tuck inside the frame and slipped in from underneath no issue:) . If you could find a set of those original headers they would work well. Good luck with the search:)

[gabriel-cestaro]

hi jegs is higher then show car on headers tripower but thank you for information
quik9 what type of header did you buy from showcar i heard that dougs are the best but i will look for wilson header also thank you for information:) :) :) :) :)

[gabriel-cestaro]

quik9r after a little looking around i guess wilson is now ballanger headers still have not found web site but still looking
thanks gabe:) :) :) :) :) :)

[quik9r]

I have heard that in the past that wilson is now ballanger and that is what Show cars claims to be selling. I guarntee they are rip off of the wilson. I am attaching some pictures of the headers whenI did the test fit and they are awesome

[CDNpontiac409guy]

Gabe, the Doug's headers are great for a moderate low to moderate performance 348, or stroked maybe to 380 cubic inches... but that's about all. 1 5/8" tubing into a 2 1/2" collector, is not enough.
As quik9r said. the old Wilson 1 7/8" header ( it's actually the Belanger design )is the best... but no longer available.
You can always build your own:deal

[gabriel-cestaro]

thanks quik9r for pics and information
Aubrey was thinking about that we will talk in the next week or so
thanks for the in put:) :) :) :) :) :)

[star]

I found these on a web site and was thinking of trying them out

http://www.autoaccessoriesgarage.com/cart/prod_page.asp?pid=HED68239_5&ClientID=1003&vlink=

[gabriel-cestaro]

Star Thanks :) :) :)

[Ronnie Russell]

I would do more research before ordering. They show same part number for small block.

[star]

yea, I was going to call b4 I ordered,there 800 # is at the bottom of the page

[DaveFoster]

What about Hooker Super Comp headers? I bought a set for about 350 bucks seven years ago, My contact there left the area so I don't have any current data or pricing, but they sure brought out the beast in my ride.

[gabriel-cestaro]

hi dave you have to cut the wheel wells going in show car iam thinking about of sanderson shorty after checking out the way long headers run i have air ride on car and do not want to lay car down on pipes at shows gabe:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[DaveFoster]

Thats right, I forgot about trimming the inner fender wheelhouse, although I think I could have got clearance by slightly bending the wheelhouse. Right side only, no trimming required on the left one. and they do sit low, especially the left one, it bottomed out once and collected something else once, two dents, one of these days I will try to eliminate those dents with a stud gun. Sanderson does have some 409 headers, weren't they block huggers? Didn't they have cast iron also?

[Dond409]

I saw a car at the Charlotte Goodguys that didn't have the tube on the passenger side go over the frame. Now I don't know if the owner modified it or that's the way it came. see picture below

[Ronnie Russell]

Dave, I happened to check on those this morning. Summit --- Part no. HOK-2171-HKR $710.39 painted, not coated , 1 7/8 tubes. Funny how prices keep going up. :dunno

[gabriel-cestaro]

sanderson are blocck huggers for the 409 i have a set on my 327 now and the only problem is driverside bolt closes to fire wall bolt come lose ever 2 months about very 150 miles i had 350 zz4 in my other impala and had the same problem with it different car different header figure that one out when i do the 409 iam going to get those 2 pcs locking header bolts :doh :doh :doh

[gabriel-cestaro]

hi how you doing ? i guess though headers went behind the frame the way a hugger header would i wonder if he bought them like that or made them?:doh :doh :doh :doh

[Dond409]

I was surprised when I saw them too. I took lots of pictures of that car. I remember seeing the hooker medallion on drivers side.

[quik9r]

The headers that you see in that picrure are the hooker super comp headers that are modified, generally the one tube goes over the frame and you notch the inner fender. The super comp headers are also a thinner wall guage of metal then a standard street header, I cannot remember if the flange is thicker or thinner. I have looked into this for years, can you believe that know one makes a header for BBC 396-502 for x frame that tucks inside both frame rails. I have attached a picture of a set headers I had built for a 502 in 62. Full length 2 1/8 tube and they can be removed form under neath the car in about 15 min:cool: This car can be heard on you tube search 502 1962 chevrolet.

[gabriel-cestaro]

Quik9r that is what iam looking for they would be perfect for my car thanks for pics :) :) :) :) :) :)

[quik9r]

I have posted another picture , if I find some more detailed I will post.

[smokin59Hrdtp]

Hey we have Stahl on both of our 409's great performance but they are spendy.:cheers

[heavy metal]

I own a set of sanderson .My only peeve is the two port in the middle are only approx 3/4 of inch square . There is no way to widen them other than cut out the tube and then modify the flange to accept a larger tube


Ken

[gabriel-cestaro]

hi
talked to sanderson today they said they redesigned headers ports are 1 5/8
heavymetal how long have you owened the set you have???????????:doh :doh :doh

[Ronnie Russell]

Hey smokin59hrdtp,,,, That sounds like a mean pair of cars you guys have. Could you post some info on them???

[JimKwiatkowski]

I agree with Smoking59,Stahl Headers are Great.Here's some photos of my Stahl's in my 57.The headers I used fit a 1962.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q90/JIMKWI/Picture306.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q90/JIMKWI/Picture309.jpg

[smokin59Hrdtp]

Hey Ronnie...
The hardtop has a 482 in it. Basically 409 car block with 454 crank rods etc... 690 heads and stock intake. The car weighs 4340 with Dad in it. It has a olds pont. rear end with 4.88 spool. The best it ran was last fall 11.18 @ 119.55. Now we put fiberglass front bumper and hood on it and disc wilwood brakes on the front. But in St. Louis we had problems and leaned out a cylinder and now it's on rebuild agian.
The Elcamino has a 409 truck block with nothing crazy done to it. I talked him into it so we could both run NSS. The best it ran was 11.59 @ 116.52. If anyone would like to see pictures I don't have any to post but if you go to www.nss-monster.com....there is a calandar on there and we are on the month of January both cars side by side on the starting line. Just scoll down on the home page and you will see all the cars on the calander and the pictures are much bigger.

Well back to the shop to rebuild that motor before spring....Happy Holidays to all the 348-409 family's:cheers

[rholso]

Does anyone have a pic of the Hooker Super Comp. Headers? Im considering these for my car, but cant find a picture anywhere. Any pics would be great. Thanks.

[Dond409]

I have some pictures on my computer at home that I can post later.

[Dond409]

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1578/7904170/18607739/294468342.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1578/7904170/18607739/294467767.jpg

Notice the picture of Passenger side, number 2 cylinder goes over the frame rail. Had to trim fender well where tube goes over the frame. Front tires does hit it on tight turns. Drivers side all tubes inside the frame.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1578/7904170/18607739/294470787.jpg

This picture shows the header on passenger side. Note #2 tube and how it sticks out. I did see a car at Charlotte Good Guys Car Show where they modified the header to get that tube inside frame rail. See picture below

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1578/7904170/18607739/294471373.jpg

Hey how about that. I learned how to post pictures like the pros Bob Walker and Dick MacKenzie

[Parts]

I have been watching this header thread for a couple days now. I had seen some pictures some where on here that showed the one pipe of the header going out side the frame. I am wondering why that is? Way, way back in the good ole days we installed a lot of headers on 09's and some 427's and they did not extend out side the frame. We used S&S on almost all but there were other manf that made them. I think some one bought everything from the old S&S and is in business. I have seen ads in some street rod magazine. I think Doug's and maybe Headman had inside the frame ones too. The cars we had in 61 used Jardine and they were fender well type.
Any way would some one please tell me why the pipe goes out side the frame?

Thank you
Larry:dunno

[rholso]

Don what size is your tire and wheel combo? Also if you know or have a good guess at what your backspacing is that would be cool too.

Thanks for the quick post of the header pics.

Rob

[Dond409]

The wheels are 15 x 7 with 3 7/8 back space. Tires are 215-70 x 15 BFG Radial TA.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1578/7904170/18607739/294498053.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1578/7904170/18607739/294498251.jpg

[gabriel-cestaro]

nice wagon :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[Dond409]

Gabe,

That's my wagon. I have had it since fall of 99, Had the 409 in it by summer of 2000. The pictures of the 409 engine in the previous posts are the engine in that wagon. BTW way Thanks. Lots of blood, sweat and tears in that car.

[gabriel-cestaro]

Don
Looks Great Motor Looks Good Not Just Blood And Sweet But $$$$$$$$$$$$$ Have A Merry
Gabe:) :) :) :)