Maryland DOT Problems AGAIN

[rstreet]

More major problems at a scale in MD again!!!!! I couldn't leave my own state to go to Delaware!!! I have had several Ladies yard sale stuff in the trailer for their organization's benefit yard sale for a couple of weeks. Today was the day so yesterday evening I was to take the trailer to the site in Southern Delaware. Maryland law requires over 10,000 GVW to stop at the scales. They put me in the impound area for questioning!!! They wanted my CDL, medical card and something else that I didn't understand!!! My trailer has "not for hire" clearly stenciled on the front. I told them I didn't have a CDL license, no medical card and no manifest for the cargo because I am not commercial.. Anyway they said I was in violation of Federal DOT and Maryland DOT because my vehicle is commercial and should have the placards on the trailer and the vehicle!! Then they check my license(currently clean). They next wanted to know what was in the trailer and wanted some sort of documentation from Ann's organization!!! Then when I told them I usually hauled my personal old car in there they said that was for sure a MD and Federal Dot commercial violation because I had probably received plaques or trophies!!!MD considers this for profit thus commercial.
I told them many times nothing was commercial because the car nor trailer was expensed on taxes. Then they said that the car has gained value because of dash plaques and that was profit:cuss This was a nightmare. Finally they called a supervisor who advised to let me go with a verbal warning because no car was in the trailer.
Any one know Federal Standards or Maryland Standards as this is getting to be a problem as I have never had any problem anywhere outside of MD.
Bob Walker how do you move your car anywhere:mad::mad::mad:
robert

[petepedlar]

It sounds to me like you ran into a jerk that enjoys flexing his authority..... You're probably in a gray area and they're being jerks. I think what I would do is make an appointment with a supervisor at a head office and get the straight goods. Explain the whole situation, get something in writing that you can keep in your truck.

Dave

[Phil Reed]

Robert;

In the immortal words of Glenn Beck.................THAT'S BULL CRAP!!!!!!!!:bang:bang:bang To say your car is more valuable because of the dash plaques makes it commercial is crazy!!! I'd get that guy's name and hire a good lawyer!!

[Ronnie Russell]

Robert, Don't put up with that crap anymore !! You and Ann load up your stuff and head on down this way. Nice warm weather, wide open spaces, good people, etc. It would be a benefit if you can speak Spanish. Seems like that is the national language around here now. But you could definitely tow your car anywhere around here with no hassle from law enforcement. :brow

[oldskydog]

Robert,
I 've always maintained that the best defense is to know the rules, part numbers, etc., better than the other guy. I think your first mistake was stopping. My experience has been that if you are not commercial, then you don't stop at the weigh/inspection stations. The fact that you stopped tripped their stupid wire and they assume you are commercial.
I did a quick check of the Maryland Transportation Statutes and here is a good place to start.
http://mlis.state.md.us/asp/web_statutes.asp?gtr&13-927

These next two seem to indicate that you "don't need no steenking CDL"

http://mlis.state.md.us/asp/web_statutes.asp?gtr&16-104

http://mlis.state.md.us/asp/web_statutes.asp?gtr&16-104.1

I don't know what non-commercial class license you hold but it is pretty well defined here in the statutes. The other part of the law you need to know is the vehicle classification. Note that they specifically authorize travel trailers, camping trailers and boat trailers. The omision of vehicle trailers may be intentional to trap un-licensed car traders but I would think the case could be made that a car trailer for your own collector vehicle should be treated no differently than a boat trailer. Maybe you should install a bunk and porta potty to qualify as a camping trailer.

http://mlis.state.md.us/asp/web_statutes.asp?gtr&16-803

And from 16-812 is probably the one that they are citing:
(i) (1) In this subsection the following terms have the meanings indicated:
(i) “Commercial motor vehicle” means:
1. A “commercial motor vehicle” as defined in § 16-803 of this subtitle; and
2. Except as provided in § 16-803(c)(2) of this subtitle, any self-propelled or towed vehicle used on a public highway to transport passengers or property, if the vehicle has a gross vehicle weight rating of 10,001 or more pounds.
This seems to conflict with the drivers license classifications as stated in 16-104 and 16-104.1 above.

Note than RV's and farmers (with certain restrictions) are specifically exempt.:scratch

Good luck.:dunno

[walkerheaders]

Bob Walker how do you move your car anywhere:mad::mad::mad:
robert

i'll have to read all Cecil posted more carefully but he nailed it.......dont stop at the scales. you dont have to for personal property as far as i ever knew. if it's not commercial, dont stop. and i've never been chased for not stopping. my trucks and trailers have always been unmarked.
when i haul with one of the company truck/trailers, i dont stop. even though i carry a medical card and army drivers license. our General Dynamics trucks are unmarked. we carry millions of dolllars of non commercial prototype vehicles. we dont stop.
However, a guy i know borrowed a stakebody from his neihbor that had somebody somebody lawn service all over it, he blew past the scales like normal and they chased him down and fined him.

summary: unmarked personal property............dont stop and volunteer for trouble.

BTW: my truck troubles should be over now. yesterday i went over and bought this 06 3500 crew w/ DMax Allison. it's a monster and good price.

[rstreet]

Robert;

In the immortal words of Glenn Beck.................THAT'S BULL CRAP!!!!!!!!:bang:bang:bang To say your car is more valuable because of the dash plaques makes it commercial is crazy!!! I'd get that guy's name and hire a good lawyer!!
Phil: I have the guy's name that stated my car has increased in value because of plaques,trophey's etc. And I have a very good attorney(from previous problems:eek:) recognized in the state of MD. I am considering my next move today. I'm going to read everyone's suggestions and comments for a day or so because allot of you tow allot farther then I do and I observed at the hot rod reunion at National Trails and at Norwalk last year everyones rig sort of looks like mine. NO placcards, no fuel stickers, no DOT registration both federal or the state you live in, with the exception being Jim's and I can understand his rig having some sort of "stickers" unless he is fooling everyone:rofl:rofl I'm very upset today still because I never had any issues until I bought the enclosed aluminum trailer(previously I used open trailers) and it isn't lettered or logos other than the "not for hire". But I'm going to wait until everyone of you has posted:hug:hug
Robert

[rstreet]

BoB Walker: Last year I did not stop at a Maryland scale and they sent two state patrol cars to run me down and bring me back. Of course I blamed that one at the time the trailer had legal New Jersey tags on it and we know how eastern shore police think of NJ:D:rofl:rofl Anyway Bob, I learned that the state of Maryland Law says that ALL VEHICLES over 10,000 GVW MUST stop at the scales. Most states I have observed say "commercial vehicle scales" They will pursue the "offender" if they have a State Policeman nearby. The scale guys in MD cannot pursue and that is how they burn the lawn service people. One in my county got stopped at a random checkpoint set up and was fined about $8,000 but he went to court with allot of attorney fees and the judge "threw" it out. I don't want to go through that.
Robert

[rstreet]

Robert, Don't put up with that crap anymore !! You and Ann load up your stuff and head on down this way. Nice warm weather, wide open spaces, good people, etc. It would be a benefit if you can speak Spanish. Seems like that is the national language around here now. But you could definitely tow your car anywhere around here with no hassle from law enforcement. :brow

Ronnie: You don't know how much I would love to do that. Ann knows a bit of Spanish, my daughter speaks French and I knew a bit of German while in Heldilberg during my drafted years. Maybe a friend of mine who had been living in Austin for years and has retired and moved back here can teach me Texan and Spanish:rofl

[Brian Thompson]

Robert-

What vehicle are you using to tow the trailer with?

[rstreet]

Brian: I am using the 2008 Yukon Denali I just bought. Someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse for the 2003 Yukon. I think I know what you're thinking and the answer is no they didn't research the towing gvw of it versus the trailer data plate. nor did they calculate the load range of the tires versus the axle ratings on the trailer.(Friday night crew) That's how they have been nailing the lawn guys when they have stopped them because they sometimes are buying replacement "c" range tires instead of "d" range when the trailer has 5,000# axles and we know that will cost you big time fines in Maryland. They haven't been doing the vehicle calculation. (maybe because of bigger numbers:rofl:rofl)
I have weighed the trailer with car is 8860, The car is 4200 +/- from memory but I do have the weights written out in the shop.
robert:mad:

[Brian Thompson]

Personally I would not stop. My brother, who also lives on the Eastern Shore of Va, has an F350 quad cab and pulls a 27' enclosed trailer up and down the east coast and never has a problem. It is for his son's motorcycle racing gear, 6 bikes are in it and has sponsorship sticker all over it.

Also, I believe the 08 Denali has a 14000 lb GCWR, so you should be good there.

[rstreet]

Brian. My Denali isn't rated that high. It's not the 3/4 ton model but it is higher then the old 2003 one. Your brother has been lucky in MD for a couple of reasons
1. It is law in MD that the weigh stations, and there is one on Rt 13 in Pocomoke, that all vehicles over 10,000 GVW must stop and his trailer will certainly be that even if it is an open model. They will call state troopers to run you down as that happened to me last year.:mad:
2. Also in MD is a quirk that lettered trailers or sponsored cars/bikes are commercial due to IRS exemptions for advertising.
Is his truck DOT registered and MD DOT registered and does he have his hazmat placcards on the truck and trailer because he is carrying 17 oz or over fuel in a can I am sure for the bikes. They love to make those stops in Maryland.:cuss:cuss
robert:mad::mad:

[rstreet]

Now what isn't there to like about my trailer. I even copied the ones that Steve and Carl use(same brand)
robert:mad::mad:
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[Brian Thompson]

Robert-

The new Denali's have a much higher GCWR than the older Yukon's. See here for specs.... http://www.gmfleet.com/pages/submodelTrailering/2008_GMC_Yukon+XL+Denali.jsp

No, he does not have any of the DOT/hazmat stuff either. I am glad you brought all of this up. I will have to let him know. Your average Joe doesn't know this info. We just buy trailers, load them up and hit the road without stopping until we get to our destination.

Thank you for letting me know this. Is there anything else I should let him know?

[Brian Thompson]

Now what isn't there to like about my trailer. I even copied the ones that Steve and Carl use(same brand)
robert:mad::mad:

It must be that it just looks too good for an individual to own, so they think it has to be for commercial use. :rofl:rofl But then again, we are talking about Md State Troopers. They will pull you over for anything if you have out of state plates. Especially if they are Va rental car plates!!! I used to drive from Va Beach to Bordentown, NJ and Manheim Auto Auction in Pa. every week in a rental car and always got pulled over just because of the plates. I can't count how many times they have torn the car apart looking for drugs.

[rstreet]

Robert-

The new Denali's have a much higher GCWR than the older Yukon's. See here for specs.... http://www.gmfleet.com/pages/submodelTrailering/2008_GMC_Yukon+XL+Denali.jsp

No, he does not have any of the DOT/hazmat stuff either. I am glad you brought all of this up. I will have to let him know. Your average Joe doesn't know this info. We just buy trailers, load them up and hit the road without stopping until we get to our destination.

Thank you for letting me know this. Is there anything else I should let him know?

Tell him to stop by for a beer but i don't think he could get that big rig up my road and driveway!!!!(I have only a couple of inches on the trailer wheels from the ditch backing in my driveway while the front wheels of the truck are within inches of the other side road ditch) I love to watch boaters with trailers come up my road and there is NO PLACE to turn around because it dead ends at the river. I have laughed at a bunch of as we say "Baltimore Boaters"(no offense Bob and John) trying to back up my road.
robert:mad:

[boxerdog]

Hey Ronnie, not to hijack, but Texas sounds better every day....except for the Spanish thing. We have the same issue here, and it's even more pervasive. I am stubborn and holding the line.

If you want to talk to me, speak English or take off. Just my .02. Southern is fine, Taxan, Aussie, Kiwi, Canadian, whatever. I can remember a little German, but don't count on it.

Let someone else adapt.

[dq409]

Boy am I glad I live on the left bank !!!

That is just plain wrong !!:cuss

I would put a couple stickes on my trailer !!!:rofl

[skipxt4]

Those two stickers, ought to be worth, 6 month's in a Maryland slammer.:dunno :doh:rofl

[raymar58454]

There was some of this stuff on DOT regs a couple years ago (sponsors, fuel, CDL etc.) as states picking on racers. I believe it was on the www.4m.net site and I had contacted the guy that spoke of it but I don't know if I still have any of it or if the stuff was on one of my crashing computers.

Ray

[walkerheaders]

very nice trailer.......but why the tags from Maine????????? I would pull you over just for that.

[jester]

More major problems at a scale in MD again!!!!! I couldn't leave my own state to go to Delaware!!! I have had several Ladies yard sale stuff in the trailer for their organization's benefit yard sale for a couple of weeks. Today was the day so yesterday evening I was to take the trailer to the site in Southern Delaware. Maryland law requires over 10,000 GVW to stop at the scales. They put me in the impound area for questioning!!! They wanted my CDL, medical card and something else that I didn't understand!!! My trailer has "not for hire" clearly stenciled on the front. I told them I didn't have a CDL license, no medical card and no manifest for the cargo because I am not commercial.. Anyway they said I was in violation of Federal DOT and Maryland DOT because my vehicle is commercial and should have the placards on the trailer and the vehicle!! Then they check my license(currently clean). They next wanted to know what was in the trailer and wanted some sort of documentation from Ann's organization!!! Then when I told them I usually hauled my personal old car in there they said that was for sure a MD and Federal Dot commercial violation because I had probably received plaques or trophies!!!MD considers this for profit thus commercial.
I told them many times nothing was commercial because the car nor trailer was expensed on taxes. Then they said that the car has gained value because of dash plaques and that was profit:cuss This was a nightmare. Finally they called a supervisor who advised to let me go with a verbal warning because no car was in the trailer.
Any one know Federal Standards or Maryland Standards as this is getting to be a problem as I have never had any problem anywhere outside of MD.
Bob Walker how do you move your car anywhere:mad::mad::mad:
robert

Robert , Send me an email with your phone number or I'll give you my mine. I've worked for D.O.T for 24 yrs . Most of that time was spent doing road side truck inspections . If you listen to most of this stuff your going to find your self parked on the side of the road with some big dollar fine. I might be able to help

[oldskydog]

Robert,
I'm no lawyer but I do have a little experience in legal research.
Bottom line is a. the definition of a commercial vehicle as delineated in Maryland Transportation Statutes 16-803:

(c) (1) “Commercial motor vehicle (CMV)” means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used to transport passengers or property, if the motor vehicle:
(i) Has a gross combination weight rating of 26,001 or more pounds inclusive of a towed unit;
(ii) Has a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 or more pounds;
(iii) Is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver; or
(iv) Is of any size and is used in the transportation of materials found to be hazardous for the purposes of the Hazardous Materials Transportation Act and which requires the motor vehicle to be placarded under hazardous materials regulations (49 CFR Part 172, Subpart F).

b. Licensing requirements as defined by Maryland Transportation Statutes 16-104.1 for non-commercial Class C which is just about the lowest level of license other than motorcylcle:
16-104.1
(c) (1) A noncommercial Class C driver’s license authorizes the licensee to drive any vehicle or combination of vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR), as defined in § 16-803 of this title, of less than 26,001 pounds, except:
(i) Commercial motor vehicles; and
(ii) Motorcycles.
(2) An individual who is issued a noncommercial Class C driver’s license under this subsection may not drive or attempt to drive a motor vehicle on any highway in this State unless a noncommercial Class C driver’s license authorizes the individual to drive a vehicle of the class that the individual is driving or attempting to drive.

:deal

[rstreet]

Thanks Cecil... With your help and and the help of another knowledgeable member I am getting somewhere on what information to keep with me.:hug
robert

[walkerheaders]

Thanks Cecil... With your help and and the help of another knowledgeable member I am getting somewhere on what information to keep with me.:hug
robert


please post your final resolution.........looks i may be in the same boat with you.

[Phil Reed]

I have my dually licensed for 24,000#. In Mo, you have to stop at the Chicken Coops with anything 18,000# and heavier. There isn't a commercial or non-commercial designation. I have not for hire on my enclosed trailer but I don't think it really means anything.

I always stop in MO but usually drive right on thru in other states.

Jester...................AM I GONIN' TO JAIL???????????:dunno:dunno

[oldskydog]

I have my dually licensed for 24,000#. In Mo, you have to stop at the Chicken Coops with anything 18,000# and heavier. There isn't a commercial or non-commercial designation. I have not for hire on my enclosed trailer but I don't think it really means anything.

I always stop in MO but usually drive right on thru in other states.

Jester...................AM I GONIN' TO JAIL???????????:dunno:dunno

Probably,.......but not for that.:p:D
:rofl

[Steve "wully bully"]

Robert and Phil,
According to the head of PA DOT, "Not for Hire" on a vehicle means absolutely nothing legally. But having it on the vehicle won't hurt, either. As far as placards, for gasoline, it is over 1000lbs total on the vehicle (not including the fuel to power the vehicle), which is about 135 gallons. Just be sure the container it is in is "DOT Approved". One other note, in NJ, they are enforcing that all gasoline containers MUST be red in color.
Steven

[Phil Reed]

Probably,.......but not for that.:p:D
:rofl

Very good Cecil...........I left myself open for that!!!!!

I'm proud of ya'!!!!!

[oldskydog]

Sorry, I just couldn't resist a set-up like that.:D

[rstreet]

I am close to getting together a package for everyone but there is some research that will have to be performed in the individual member's state like Phil and Cecil mentioned. Yes, that Not For Hire sticker on mine is for "eyewash" but like a state supervisor here in Maryland told me it can't hurt because will define your intention but is meaningless. Sort of like those stickers I see on cars that say "I support the Troopers Association":rofl:rofl
Seriously I am still pissed at the heavyness I had to deal with and more importantly the lack of knowledge by folks who are supposed to know. But I will have some numbers and tips soon. Yeah Bob you're like me just one step away from a big fine:mad::mad:
robert

[Speed]

RV...

exempt..period
get documentation ahead of time
don't stop.....

[rstreet]

RV...

exempt..period
get documentation ahead of time
don't stop.....

I would agree in Va. because your scales say "commercial vehicles" but NOT IN MARYLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:
Our scales say all vehicles over 10,000 combined.... That means all car trailers!!!!!! I have run MD scales before and had them send two state trooper cars to run me down!!! Man did I catch hell that night. I wasn't fined but I am thinking it is a $1,020 fine in MD for runnning scales while over 10,000#. Yes RV's are exempt in MD but are NOT if towing a car trailer!!!!!!!!
I hope to be at the Petersburg show
robert

[jester]

I have my dually licensed for 24,000#. In Mo, you have to stop at the Chicken Coops with anything 18,000# and heavier. There isn't a commercial or non-commercial designation. I have not for hire on my enclosed trailer but I don't think it really means anything.

I always stop in MO but usually drive right on thru in other states.

Jester...................AM I GONIN' TO JAIL???????????:dunno:dunno


HHHHHMMMMMMMM , could be. Phil:rofl:rofl:rofl

[jester]

I would agree in Va. because your scales say "commercial vehicles" but NOT IN MARYLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:
Our scales say all vehicles over 10,000 combined.... That means all car trailers!!!!!! I have run MD scales before and had them send two state trooper cars to run me down!!! Man did I catch hell that night. I wasn't fined but I am thinking it is a $1,020 fine in MD for runnning scales while over 10,000#. Yes RV's are exempt in MD but are NOT if towing a car trailer!!!!!!!!
I hope to be at the Petersburg show
robert
Robert, as you do your research make sure you look up the the definitions of terms. . ( like Commercial Motor Vehicle. )

[rstreet]

I'm supposed to be getting the full "book" for MD. this morning. But....they did adopt 390.3 several years ago. I want to be sure that section is "in the book" and will check MD's definitions also. MD seems to be after #'s in our world(occasional pleasure). Like we said they can't be more lienent than FMCSA but they can be more stringent if it's in the book.
I'm still looking for a MD section based on what the officer told me that in MD I must be classed commercial because my car has a plaque or two and has won some trophy stuff and this has increased the value of the car!!!!!!!:rofl:rofl:rofl I haven't found that one yet:D
robert

[jester]

I guess what I'm saying is don't confuse the definition of commercial for registration with how it applies to a commercial motor vehicle in the Federal regulation. In New York I need to have commercial plates on my pick up truck even is the only thing I carry in it is the garbage to the dump. It's not a CMV until both items are met. I'm sure the MD officer were using the term as it applies to registration. It was a pleasure speaking with you . Good luck in your endevor. John

[rstreet]

My county executive was a prosecutor in the AG's office a few years ago and told me he is a "bud" of one of the folks in MD that I should speak with at DOT so hopefully tomorrow that might happen. This has really taken some twists and turns depending who I am speaking with but I am virtually assured I am NOT commercial even though the MD Motor Carrier Handbook only exempts rv's. I am now going to suggest to one of the "bosses" that they correct the book because the trainers are apparently giving new cadets the wrong information on commercial vs occasional pleasure use as defined in the FMCSA. ALL lower level folks I have spoken to have said in MD only rv's are exempt.:mad:
robert

[tripower]

ALL lower level folks I have spoken to have said in MD only rv's are exempt.:mad:
robert

Put a cot a sleeping bag and porta potty in your trailer and tell them its a RV....:deal

[dq409]

I would say it WWWWWWWWWWay past time to get the car clubs and racers together in your state and pressure the Legislators to do something about this,,,

[oldskydog]

Robert,
Maybe you should run for a seat on one of those obscure State Transportation Advisory Boards you probably never heard of but are spelled out in Maryland Law. There was one that specifically required a member to represent the public (not commercial) auto interests.:deal

[rstreet]

The opportunity has been made for me to speak to two high "officials" on this next week. I am going to work on my presentation this weekend. and thanks much to Cecil as one of his finds on Md legal articles has led this issue in a good way from that of the folks explaination within the transportation dept. I also need to thank another member very much for input for showing the federal side. and some local interested persons for setting the opportunity up. I have experience with MD in environmental issues whereby items were changed by policy while not by law(sort of illegal). My fear is the same thing has happened here and it might not be good for car owners within MD. They have put the stopping at scales into law whereby all vehicles over 10,000# MUST stop at the scales. I understand this means even guys traveling through. Even my old open car trailers with truck exceeded that but I wasn't paying attention as I thought scales were for commercial as it is in most state I have observed.
I'm hoping what has happened doesn't cause all of us to quit going to shows and events in MD because of the extra expense that we might be classed as commercial.
Ronnie have you got a place down there with an extra two car garage for my 61 and shop and spare 409 motors and accessories:rofl But I just thought I don't know how I'm gonna get my car out of MD:eek:. I might have to will it and the trailer to someone.:eek:
robert

[walkerheaders]

:eek:. I might have to will it and the trailer to someone.:eek:
robert


here i am "uncle" Robert :rofl


BTW: thanx for doing this research

[rstreet]

I have finished a thorough conversation with a "Maryland person with authority" on this commercial issue. Basically my presentation and the research that we all did was not totally necessary. He was very familiar where the federal exemption on our trailers was and that several years ago MD adopted the section that specifically exempts us.
He did remind me of one important thing that I already knew and that was most are "running" the scales and MD law is all vehicles over 10,000# MUST stop.
The advice he gave for the problem of being pulled behind the scales and given the 3rd degree was to have the exemption papers I printed handy. He doesn't have sure way out of a young scalehouse person interrogation but he did advise asking for a supervisor would be permissible although I have had that happen without success.
It does seem that I was correct in my thinking that the exemption was left out of the Maryland Motor Carrier Handbook but as he told me that book is printed by the state highway administration NOT the State Police who enforce transportation laws.
So as of now I'm back to my old will and my "nephew" Bob Walker is out of the will:rofl as well as Phil because I'm sure he is ready to raid:rofl
Speaking of Bob; with a triple axle trailer he advised insuring that you know what your gvw is and what you have to do if going over 26,001#
Our exemption does NOT apply to sponsored cars, sponsoring trailers and sponsors on the truck. Just plain stuff!!
Thanks to everyone who helped as this has been an ordeal. I wish my environmental issue in the county could end this easy.
robert

[jester]

Well done, Robert, Well done.... I'm glad it worked out for you guys. I never liked being the bad guy all the time...:rofl:rofl:rofl

[walkerheaders]

rats.........but i still love you anyway uncle robert. :rofl

what exemption papers you printed and where can i get them?

i am well aware of the 26,000 lb rule and i carry scale results (from the landfill) papers in my work truck / trailer. (it is close and whips the old powerstroke pretty hard)

i dont know what my personal new truck weighs yet: 2006 3500 crewcab silverado 4X4 with single wheels and Duramax / Allison. my trailer has a GVW of 7700 and i dont feel it's that heavy. i only ever put the racecar in it 3265 lbs. guessing 3000 or less empty. guess i better haul it to the landfill to be sure.

anyway.........thanx.