Good write about oil

[models916]

This was a good read for me. Check it out.

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136052

[Ronnie Russell]

Very interesting. Made it through Part IV. Will resume reading later. Thanks Mike for the post.

[dq409]

Very interesting to say the least,,

here are a few excerpts from his post.

High flow does more than lubricate. It is one of the things used to cool the hottest parts of your engine, the pistons, valve areas and bearings. This cooling effect is as important as lubrication in your engine. If your engine is running hot use a thinner oil. The flow will increase and so will the cooling. This is even more important in the racing condition.

Part 102
He misses that syn oils at start up do have a lubricacting quality as they leave a coat of protection that is there on startup unlike dino oils

Part 104
Some people have said they use thicker oils because they only use their cars every 2, 3 or 4 weeks. They are afraid that thin oils will fall off the engine parts and result in a lack of lubrication at startup. Think about your lawn mower over the winter. I gets gummed up solid. The oil and fuel thicken over time resulting in engine failure. Anyway, oil on the surface of parts does not lubricate. It is the FLOW of oil between parts that lubricates. Thick, old, waxy oil can only be bad.

I disagree in part to this.

Then he does add this:
As it turns out synthetic oils do cling to parts better as they have higher film strength than mineral oils. Synthetics are thinner overall. They have greater slipperiness. Yet they stick better to engine parts. Again, this concept is the opposite of normal thinking.

Then this:
Motor oil that is labeled for RACING ONLY is not usable for every day driving. Often these have more additives that are toxic to your catalytic converters and the environment. These oils generally do not have detergents. These are very important for your engine unless you plan on taking it apart every few weeks and cleaning every single surface. The oils do not meet the API / SAE requirements for ratings as SJ, SL or now SM.

And this:
People often say that their old 1980 car manual says to use a specific Brand-X motor oil. They keep trying to locate these older oils. First, just about any oil brand that meets the original specifications will do. Second, all oils are much, much better now. They are all much better. One could say that synthetic oils are better than mineral oils but is is hard to say that one brand is that much better than any other. Personally, I do stick to the big names. It does not mean that small motor oil companies are not as good. They could be better for all I know.

We all know this is not true anymore,,,, ZINC anyone?


Part 108:

I have some stories that I collected. First, my architect drives a big SUV. He was running with Mobil 1 brand 15W-50. He changed it to Pennzoil Multigrade (mineral oil based, non-synthetic, cheap) 5W-20 at my suggestion. His gas mileage went from 10 to 13 MPG around town. What really impressed him the most was the “robust” increase in “get up and go.” He changed from a thick synthetic to a thin mineral oil. His venue is stop and go city traffic in Florida, mostly short trips. The oil just never got that hot to require a 50 weight oil. Short trips means that the oil temperature never gets up to the normal operating range. It was too thick on short trips and too thick when it did get up to temperature.

The lower temperatures he was seeing occurred because of reduced friction and internal drag and higher oil flow.

One of the members of the Ferrari Chat web site went from a 40 to a 30 weight oil in his Ferrari 355 for racing in Texas. He noticed a drop in temperature but no change in oil pressure. This may seem odd but really makes perfect sense. Since the 30 weight oil is thinner he got better flow and therefore better cooling. The oil was at a lower temperature so it was not as thin than it would have been at the previous higher temperature. Cooler engines last longer. Fact: The higher the temperature, the greater the wear, all other things being equal.

Part109:
I would like to comment on the following statements made by a knowledgeable automotive enthusiast:
“Pressure and flow are tied together with viscosity, but none have anything to do with lubrication. Lubrication is a property of the fluid, not the force. The oil pump would pump water just as well, but it would offer no real lubrication. If we double the pressure, we double the flow. If you decrease the viscosity to a lighter oil, you increase flow at a loss of pressure. High flow helps to carry away more heat. High pressure helps to keep metal parts like the bearings out of contact with each other (scuffing).”
Then read the charts,,

[quik9r]

Interesting Royal Purple was not talked about?

[gabriel-cestaro]

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JACK ROUSH, VALVOLINE COLLABORATE ON NEW HIGH-PERFORMANCE ROUSH® MOTOR OIL FAMILY



LIVONIA, Mich. (August 6, 2008) - It’s no secret that Jack Roush knows how to make power out of engines. It’s also no secret that Valvoline knows how to make oil, the lifeblood of an engine. So it makes sense that these two giants in their respective fields would collaborate to create ROUSH® Motor Oil, the ultimate engine elixir for performance vehicles.



Roush Fenway Racing exclusively uses Valvoline oil in their stock cars because it is the best in the industry. But always the innovator and continually looking for ways to improve engine performance, Roush one day sat down with the Valvoline technicians and posed a simple question

- “What can we do to improve the oil used in high-performance street engines?” The answer led to the development of ROUSH Motor Oil, a line of six new motor oils for performance vehicles old and new.



“Any brand of inexpensive motor oil might work fine for the average consumer, but owners of high performance vehicles are extremely proud of their car and are willing to do whatever is necessary to maximize their driving experience and take care of their investment,” Roush said.

“That includes demanding a premium motor oil to protect the engine, help get the most horsepower, as well as to enable the engine to run cooler. The technicians at Valvoline have helped me to create ROUSH Motor Oil, which I believe is the most advanced lubricant on the market today, and will become the motor oil of choice for those who claim that ‘good’ isn’t good enough for their car.”



Inspired by the racetrack and formulated for the road, the ROUSH Motor Oil provides protection for both newer and older performance engines.

Sold by the quart for a suggested retail of $7.99 each, the six blends

are:



* SAE 5W-20: (API SM) Full synthetic engineered for extreme protection and superior performance. Advanced additive package for maximized horsepower, heat protection, and longer-lasting zinc/phosphorus anti-wear.



* SAE 5W-30: (API SM) Full synthetic engineered for extreme protection and superior performance. Advanced additive package for maximized horsepower, heat protection, and longer-lasting zinc/phosphorus anti-wear.



* SAE 5W-50: (API SM) Full synthetic engineered for extreme protection and superior performance. Advanced additive package for maximized horsepower, heat protection, and longer-lasting zinc/phosphorus anti-wear. The recommended oil for the ROUSH® P-51A™ Mustang.



* SAE 10W-30: (API SL) High zinc for classic high-performance engines, including protection for push-rod and flat tappet applications. Full synthetic engineered for extreme protection and superior performance.

Advanced additive package for maximized horsepower, heat protection, and longer-lasting zinc/phosphorus anti-wear.



* SAE 10W-40: (API SL) High zinc for classic high-performance engines, including protection for push-rod and flat tappet applications. Full synthetic engineered for extreme protection and superior performance.

Advanced additive package for maximized horsepower, heat protection, and longer-lasting zinc/phosphorus anti-wear.



* BREAK-IN OIL (SAE 40) High zinc, conventional formula specifically designed to break-in and dyno high performance engines. Requires no additional additives. Also applicable for use in racing applications.



Although the primary purpose of motor oil is to prevent engine heat and wear (by reducing friction of internal components), there are a number of other vital roles it accomplishes. This includes keeping the engine cool (not just a function of the radiator), protecting engine surfaces and suspending deposits, sludge, dust, dirt and other contaminants so they are removed when used oil is drained, and permitting easier start-up when the key is turned in the ignition. These functions, and others, are often accomplished though the use of additives which, when correctly balanced, are what differentiates a true, high-quality motor oil.



“There is a real science to correctly mixing oil additives and I really relied on the Valvoline technicians and their one hundred years of experience to help blend the ROUSH Motor Oil line. I could tell them something like ‘I want to try and make sure that we can get more horsepower’ and they would know what it takes to accomplish that based on what we are doing in the NASCAR garages. But, it also means that a compromise needed to be made in another additive area, and they did a magnificent job of optimizing the ROUSH Motor Oil blend to truly be the premium brand,” Roush said.



Roush was also adamant that there be oils specially suited for both newer and older high-performance engines.



For all performance vehicles, Roush felt that a synthetic would be best. In synthetic motor oil, the molecule is completely uniform throughout - there are no variations in molecule size like in conventional oil. And taking a cue from his motorsports experience, Roush knew synthetic oil helps to cool engines better.



In racing, teams typically put tape over the radiator and other openings on the race car to help gain speed through improved aerodynamics, but this will cause less air to flow over the engine which results in higher temperatures under the hood. Roush Fenway Racing teams use synthetic Valvoline motor oil in all their stock cars because it helps to cool the engine in addition to the radiator. Synthetic ROUSH Motor Oil is offered in five weights: 5W-20, 5W-30, 5W-50, 10W-30 and 10W-40.



However, older engines, and especially flat tappet or push-rod types, require high levels of zinc/phosphorous for added protection. Valvoline increased the level of zinc for the 10W-30 and 10W-40 grades, and in every grade used a special low-volatility zinc which helps to maintain higher levels of phosphorous in the oil instead of blowing it out through the catalyst.



The last item that Roush specified was to create an engine Break-In Oil. This conventional SAE 40 weight motor oil has an extremely high zinc and low detergent levels and is designed for dyno or engine break-in uses. There are no additional additives needed when using the ROUSH Break-In oil, which can also be used in racing applications when oil is changed more frequently than in a typical street vehicle.



All six ROUSH Motor Oil blends are available now through select retailers. For more information, or to find your nearest ROUSH Motor Oil dealer, visit www.ROUSHoil.com.



Based in Livonia, Mich., “The Art of Performance Engineering” takes place at ROUSH Performance. To get a look behind the scenes at what goes on at ROUSH and how the vehicles and parts are designed, manufactured, tested and produced logon to www.ROUSHtv.com. In addition to the array of Ford Mustang and F-150 styling, handling and performance upgrades, a complete line of performance parts and crate engines are offered. For more information see your local ROUSH dealer, visit www.ROUSHperformance.com or telephone toll-free (800) 59-ROUSH.



Valvoline, a division of Ashland Inc. (NYSE: ASH), has been serving American motorists longer than any other motor oil marketer and is a leading innovator and supplier of quality, high-performing automotive and industrial products in more than 100 countries. Best known for its lubricants, Valvoline also markets Eagle One® appearance products, Car Brite® car restoration products, Zerex® antifreeze, SynPower® performance products, Pyroil® automotive chemicals and MaxLife® products created for higher-mileage engines. Valvoline also has a stake in the quick-lube market with its Valvoline Instant Oil Change® unit.



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[dq409]

Interesting Royal Purple was not talked about?

from all the oil research I've done and read about Royal Purple is a middle of the road oil in the test.

Some better some worse,,

I myself,, prefer the better ones !

[oil4kids]

bla bla bla, Joe who?

I will be using AMSOIL TILL THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS

THEN I'LL LOOK AT THE OTHER OILS

[DonSSDD]

Is Valvoline "the best oil" for Roush because they paid him the biggest fee for the use of his name?

From what you read, the formulations of all oils have changed so much in the last 2 years, whatever you believed was "the best oil" is not likely the same as it was before.

Just read the ads, they all make "the best oil".

Don

[fatride]

Mobile 1 full synthetic has served me well for years, I will stick with it.

[models916]

I have been using Mobil 1 for years. I did switch to the new 0W30 SM in all my cars. Even the 62 gets it with a bottle of ZDDP.

[dq409]

Mobile 1 full synthetic has served me well for years, I will stick with it.

And from my research Mobil 1 is just behind Amsoil in most tests!

But,, just some inside info,

If you become an Amsoil distributor you can get it cheaper!!!
And they have a warehouse here in Portland, no shipping !!!:brow

[oil4kids]

Amsoil finally released info on comparison to Joe Gibbs oil, Lucus, Redline, Torco Brad Penn and as usual kicked the **** out of most of the brands

look at the 4 ball wear test, this test crushes 4 ball bearings with compression while heating the test oil to 150 degrees C

Amsoil 0.48 mm

Joe Gibbs 0.74mm

the lower the scar on the ball bearing the less wear occured
info at

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd30.aspx




Look at Torco results must be made with sand or something

[dq409]

There is a great article and test of synthetic oils in this months Quick Throttle magazine that tests different oils used in a motorcycle engine.
I believe you can use this test to see that it can also cross over to use in our car engines to help them run cooler.

Good quick reading.
http://www.quickthrottle.com/Editions/NW/August2008/The_Oily_Truth.html

[DonSSDD]

Very interesting.

I have a VW diesel, a 98, and the manufacturer recommended oil changes at 15,000 KM, about 10,000 miles with regular oil. I have seen rear ends in logging trucks with 2,000,000 miles on synthetic with no significant wear. I have always used synthetic in the car.

Maybe some of the 409 guys with a dyno would run an oil test like this- real people not magazine people who have advertisers to keep happy.

Don

[dq409]

OK, So in yesterdays 90* + heat my 120 ci V-Twin ran a consistant 170* in mixed freeway and city driving !!!:D

In the late afternoon in the hotest part of the day, 100* , the temp did get to 200* in mixed driving but never got any hotter then that.:D

I also am NOT running any type of oil cooler so I`m pretty happy with these results!


I`m also in the process of designing a oil cooler from a finned aluminum car trans cooler and will be installing it after the final design is ready.

[W Head]

bla bla bla, Joe who?

I will be using AMSOIL TILL THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS

THEN I'LL LOOK AT THE OTHER OILS

ME TOO !!!!!:beerbang

W Head

59 El CMINO 348-3,2S
59 IMPALA 409-2,4S