"348-409" forum

[brisbane47]

I just looked at the rocker arm cover on the home page, It is a "W" cover, not a MKIV. I suggest a MKIV section for all who would be more interested in the development of that engine.
I find some of the internal documents very interesting. TS

[Fran Preve]

Brisbane: I cut my teeth on the MKIV, it's what I know best, the W has been on the back burner since 1985, now it's on the front. Like you I'd like to look at the pre-production planning etc of the Mark IV. But I don't think this is the place for it. This site is dedicated to the W block, and as such it's serving a very useful purpose. There are so many more people interested in the Mark IV that it would dilute this site, over power it so to speak. If they want to discuss the Mark II "Mystery" engine I can see that, because it was an evolution of the W block.

All's I am is a Tonawanda guy with a lot of W block production information who took it as "my" engine when I was in charge of a historical project back in 1985. I tried to learn as much about the motor as I could, but didn't know how much I DIDN'T know until I found this site here, now I'm so smart I scare myself!. As for myself, and it's only MY opinion, I think they should leave the Mark IV out. Maybe a separate site dedicated ONLY to the Mark IV?.

PS: Really, how long have you been watching this site?. If only a couple of weeks you missed alot. Hope you stick around, keeps SOME people honest!. (me?).

[bjburnout]

I agree with you Fran.
Keep this site pure 'W' 348-409.
I have several Mark IV's but the character lies here with the 'W'
This is our life and the 'Brotherhood' we must keep it pure.

Brisbane47 we have discussed this type of thing before and that is why we have a truck section and a 6...283 section but seldom any action in either

BJ

ps - once the NCRS boys let 73 and newer in, I lost a lot of interest over there

[bobs409]

We couldn't change our theme now. :) It's who we are here. And our valve cover is much prettier than the MarkXX engines. :D :p

I am in the very early learning stages of these other engines so doing a website devoted to them isn't possible right now for me.

I will be adding some info on these engines as I get it to this site but like the Z-11, it will have it's own area away from the general W-motors. (except some areas such as part numbers, etc.)

I am thinking maybe we should add a new forum for these here on the board though. hmmmm....

[bjburnout]

hey Bob

Are you talking about a special forum for the Mark IV or the Z11.
If you think the site will support another forum for the Mark IV, I would agree to that (suckin' up to the boss, eh!)l

These Mark IV's evolved from the 'W' and there certainly is a lot of interchangeable parts and info. I'm sure a lot of members here (like myself) own both, the new exchange could be quite helpful.

Maybe limit it to 72 and older..........

BJ

[bobs409]

Well, I really was thinking of the 427 Mystery engine. This Mark IV, etc talk has me all confused. :D I want to limit the years up to 1965 only for this whole site, otherwise, where does it stop?

I was thinking of a seperate Z-11/Mystery 427 catagory??? Right under the 348/409 forum in our discussion area.

It would be nice to keep all the topics pertaining to these in one spot instead of mixed around on the board.

[Fran Preve]

Bob, that's the ticket a heading for Z-11's and/or "mystery" motors, and for your reasons.
DJ: the only parts I can think of that swap over from a Mark IV (directly) are the rods, fuel pump and oil pump. The Mystery motor was an evolution of the W block but the Mark IV was (almost) completely different.

[brisbane47]

Everyone; What I tried to say, (that did not come out correctly), is that it would be better to have some other venue to carry on the MKIV discussion. I would rather see it on another web site! Sorry about the lack of communication on my part. TS

[Fran Preve]

Brisbane: I agree, maybe we could put together a "private" site where we can email a group all at one time. In the meantime we can email back and forth off site to discuss some things, you got the time???

[CDNpontiac409guy]

"I would rather see it on another web site!"

Thanks Brisbane :cheers

nuff said

[SS425HP]

I didn't have anything to do with it, but I sure would like to be able to read the discussion. Knowledge is KING. Never get enough. Just don't make it private.

Fred

[Loafer409]

Hey you guys can't take the ball and leave like that, myself and I'm sure many other have been following this with a great deal of interest...09

[Fran Preve]

I guess Bob may add an area to the "Discussion Area' called "Z-11 and Mystery motor". That sounds like his plan. If enough members want another one called "Mark IV" then he can do that to, but a lot of members would want him to do so and that's completely up to him. I stated my opinion and it's only mine.

As far as my comment on a private "group" organized off site, it was just a suggestion, nothing more, and of course it wouldn't be limited to a "chosen few". It would be better than nothing. Brisbane asked a question for EVERYONE to reply to, a couple did, I hope more do, my comment was just my opinion. Have at it guys.

[dq409]

Originally posted by Fran Preve
Brisbane asked a question for EVERYONE to reply to, a couple did,

And some more then once !!! heee heee

Ya know,,,,,,,,348-409.com,,,,,,,,, kinda says it all,,,,,,don`t ya think?

A "discussion area" for the Z-11 and Mystery Motor would be as far as I think it should go ,,,, After that they all (engines) have nothing in common with the blood in this forum !

The "W" is what brings us here and makes us and this forum special !!

I for one do NOT want it diluted !!!

I did spent a lot of time on ChevyTalk but it is so big and UN-FOCUSED that you have to wade through the muck to find a discussion you want to join in on !

Here it is pure and should stay that way !!! JMO !!!!,,,dq

[bobs409]

Well put Dq and I feel the same way. It's not that I wouldn't want to read about those other engines too, it's just that it brings back that same question, where does it stop? We have to stick with our winning formula here.

It also reminds me of Late Great Chevys. I joined them in 1981 when it was just 1958-64. Then they added 65-72, ok, I can live with that, then 55-57, um... well ok I guess. Now, just about everything can be found there! I cancelled my subscription after they added Chevelles. Im a Chevelle lover but feel that LGC is just in it for the money now and forgot what made them a success in the beginning. For every car/year they add, it takes away from the reason I joined. If I want to read about Chevelles, I'll join a Chevelle club.


Since the Z-11 and Mystery 427 falls into the 1963 era, I feel that they should be part of our site. Think I will add a seperate area for them later.

You guys that know alot about the other engines should try doing a website on them. Pull your resources together and get it on the net. Im sure it would be successful and we'll be sure to send some visitors your way. :D We can all come there to read about them. :)


Thanks for the suggestions by the way...


Bob

[Fran Preve]

Bob: late Great was a BUSINESS, not a club, it was owned by a group in Florida (I was a member for a few years back in the late 80's). Then as you say they added 65 to 72, for more business?. Then Mark Meekins "sold" his National Chevelle Owners Association to them and got out of the "business", and he too was a "business". By the way, I addressed MANY NCOA annual conventions from 1987 to 1992, I gave seminars on the big block. I'm friends with Mark and got ot know him pretty well, a GREAT guys!, and definately an EXPERT on Chevelles!. He also had the "horsepower" to get inside Chevrolet in Michigan. Along the way the added another "association" of 55-57 owners. Now I guess they cover everything. This organization is a good asset to owners of these cars, but be aware, it's an owned business, not a "club".

[bobs409]

True. It's just not the same to me with all the models now. It had a club like feeling in the beginning. Looking at their current prices, there's no doubt it's a business now! :eek:

I was a member of NCOA for a while too by the way.

I've given up all memberships like that including all magazine subscriptions. Just not worth it to me anymore. Magazines especially. They are 2/3 advertisements.

I get more from the web than any magazine could give me. (and most if not all is free!) :D


Bob

[Fran Preve]

It was ALWAYS a business, but that's why site like yours are so good for the enthusiest. You have no axe to grind. Mark ran the NCOA more like a club than a business (but it was). He put the Chevelle enthusiest first, to his credit. Now it's purely a business. As far as magazines are concerned, well, I subscribe to just about every one (except Chevy Rumble, yet). I'd rather subscribe than pay the newstand price!.

[348NUT]

I agree with Bob, Only MKIV donor parts here:p
That whole conglomoration they call Classic Chevy International is nothing but Big Business anymore :evil I'd cancel my subscription but 13 years ago my wife (then girlfriend) bought me a lifetime membership. ;) I like things here the way they are! But if someone wants to start a new web site I say go for it! I'm surprised there isn't one out there already. NUT