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tmracing62
07-22-2004, 02:57 AM
My car hasn't had a lot of trouble with cooling except when I didn't switch on the fans in time. Usually ran at 180 and would cool down quickly. The exception was when the trans cooler was still in front of the radiator and standing it off an inch improved cooling greatly. I drove the car for the first time in a few weeks and it was 97 degrees out while romping down the freeway. It would have been dangerous to pull over when the temp hit 220 so it got up to 230 just as I found a place to park.

The changes I was testing were the trans cooler was moved completely out of the engine compartment and toward the back, a 160 degree thermostat (was 180) with bypass holes was installed, carb insulators installed and fuel lines rerouted and pressure regulator relocated to a cooler place. Ran the valves, changed oil, installed new plugs and all the usual. It runs rich on purpose. Also purged the cooling system of air before test.

And it still hit 230. I've driven for 40 minutes in 90 degree weather and not gotten above 185. Checked timing and it's right on at 36 degrees where it has always been. So ........ either the slightly higher temperature outside pushed it past it's ability to cool or the thermostat has changed (increased) the flow. Went to 160 to start flow sooner and drilled bypass holes so it would heat up quicker which it did, but maybe now too much water flows and doesn't stay in the engine or radiator long enough.

I've had a lot to say on a few threads about managing overheating. But facts are facts and this time I did something wrong apparently. It'll be interesting to figure it out. In the meantime, if anyone has considered my idea of drilling bypass holes (which has worked for me several times before) if you don't have a bypass already, you might wait until I figure this out.

And of course it vapor locked. I carry cool packs - you break them so the chemicals mix - and that fixed that, but I was parked for over an hour. Sitting with a broken hot rod makes me feel like a squirrel sitting in the middle of 1000 Dobermans. Not a fun day.

fatride
07-22-2004, 08:42 AM
I also recieved a wakeup call on my last cruise! This is the first summer I have been able to run the "new" 409 engine in my 60 Impala. Cruise air temp was just over 80 dgs, with 43 dgs of humidity. Engine has been running at 180 at speed for most of this summer. On this day on the throughway, temp was 195 to 200 dgs. Not overheating but not far from the point of no return! I have a rad from showcars a "Desert cooler", hmmmmm!. On my wish list is an aluminum Griffen or Be Cool rad. Stat is 180 dg.

MRHP
07-22-2004, 09:24 AM
I have run my 474 in air temps of 80 to 90 and my temp stays at 170 to 195. I am running a griffen aluminum radiator and a 160 thermostat. It got the warmest cruising town and idling in traffic. :dunno Works for me!

CDNpontiac409guy
07-22-2004, 12:36 PM
I'm glad you brought this up, TM. I want to stabilize my engine temp at around 150-160 for passes down the track. For the first time, I drilled a 1/8" hole in the 160 deg thermostat. From what you have experienced, it would seem that the results may not be predictable. For extended driving, I am DEFINITELY using an inadequate radiator ;) .

real61ss
07-22-2004, 01:22 PM
Aubrey,
Is there a problem with your email? They keep coming back. Please email me @ 1real61ss@comcast.net

Thanks
Tommy

CDNpontiac409guy
07-22-2004, 02:32 PM
Thanks Tommy.... Yes, ONCE AGAIN, there is a problem with my server with MODERN DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS in WINNIPEG, MANITOBA.... Toll free, 1 877 922 2555... fax 1 204 954 7384... email alyssa@MDCI.CA
THEY ARE DRIVING ME #%$&ING NUTS ( and possibly out of business ) :cuss :cuss :cuss

real61ss
07-22-2004, 03:12 PM
Aubrey,
Thanks........Tommy

real61ss
07-22-2004, 06:00 PM
Aubrey.......I sent you a PM.......Tommy

Bungy
07-22-2004, 07:33 PM
I have drilled holes in my thermostats but only 1/16" and that was just to let out any trapped air when filling. I don't think that would cause your problem. Changing from a 180 to 160 stat will not make your temp rise. It is staying in your engine long enough for it to heat up to 230. The only logical thing I can think of is that the new 160 stat is bad. I would check it in a pan of boiling water and see if it opens. (new ones can be bad right out of the box) my 2 cents.

dq409
07-22-2004, 09:51 PM
OZ, Can you switch to a server like Lunar Pages ? ,,,,,

Copy of letter to Alyssa @ MDCI :
Alyssa, I have a company that I deal with in Hanna Alberta, A. Bruneau Performance, from here in the States and it is a must that the communication line be open and up for use 24/7 !

It seems that for what ever reason you cannot keep your server up and running.

MDCI is causing both my business and Mr. Bruneau`s considerable damage by not being able to communicate over the web.

It is a must that we can email essential business material to keep our operations running!

I strongly urge you to do what ever needs to be done to correct this matter.

Sincerely,
James Martello
President, QMMJ Hi-Performance
Portland Oregon, USA

I urge all members to flood Alyssa with a message simular to this !!!!!


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CDNpontiac409guy
07-23-2004, 03:34 AM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

HEEE HEEE HAAA HEEEE !!!!!!!

I was hoping someone would do that :clap

Geez... I was gone all day ( went to Shelby Montana to pick up my Alston roll bar kit ).
We'll see what they say in the morning :help