Cam or Head Problem??

[mikesbigblock409]

Hey back again with a new problem sent the car to get painted and found out while it was gone the car was drove 340 miles and when i got it back it has a miss on driver side ,, the car has a fresh rebuild everything new .The cam is a ISKY 262HYD 488 488 LIFT heads been rebuilt with stainles valves .checked out plugs ,points wires etc ,car wont idle when put in gear and and you can hear a mis on driver side ,on the road it lacks power from what it did have. just woundering if i also have a cam and lifter problem as i did hear a lifter at start up until it pumped up befor i sent to have it painted . The car was run hard as the tire was burned until it pop The engine had only 450 miles on it , I would like to know if i need to have the heads checked again ? also i need to ask what would be a good cam and lifter kit ? this is a 64- 409 340 hp Auto in floor ,would like a lope and good with street playing.
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Mike

[Bubbletop Bel-Air]

Sounds to me like you have two problems, and the main one seems to be the integrity of the painter you entrusted your car to. Who gave him the permission to put any miles on the vehicle, let alone that many, and to pop a tire to boot? I would think it is his responsibility to pay for whatever repairs are necessary to bring the vehicle back to the condition it was in when he received it. Hope the paint job was fantastic, at least you would have one good thing to say about this unscruplous scroundrel. :? :dunno :takethat

[mikesbigblock409]

Didnt know the car had been drove until i sent for it and got it home and that is when i started to drop my head as the more i looked the worse it got , the paint cost was 2,000 i got 800.00 paint job. live and learn i guess.
Mikesbigblock409
Mike

[Dond409]

Who gave this guy permission to drive your car. I think a complete tear down of the engine is in order at his expense. Sounds to me like it was reved way higher then a motor with that many mile on it should have been. I think that your skip is a broken valve spring or maybe a bent push rod. If it were me that car would be out of that shop and I would be seeing my lawyer about a possible law suit.

[JimKwiatkowski]

Mike,that's a sad story it's bad enough that they drove your car and abused it now you have a bad paint job :cry I also would seek a lawyer for possible lawsuit.You might have a worn lobe on your cam from inproper break in of your cam.

[fatride]

Mike, something needs to be done about the way you and your ride were disrespected! :takethat :mad: I don't know about slander laws and all but I think the world needs to know this shops name and address! Make a visual inspection of the engine too make sure that nothing has come loose like a plug wire or coil wire. Next observe the carb area and make sure that the carb is not flooding with fuel. (dirt in needle and seat) Carb area should be dry with no fuel on outside of carb. If the engine passes the visual inspection You need to remove the valve covers one at a time. Make a visual inspection of the valve train to look for any obvious damage such as bent or broken parts. If no obvious damage is present check the rockers by taking them in hand and seeing if any are loose on the rocker stud, in other words too much lash. Then look at the rocker arm adjusting nuts and make sure that they are run down on the stud to somewhat the same length to make sure that the nut has not backed off. If every thing passes the visual inspection, clean a spot off the push rods with a degreeser and place a dab of white paint on the pushrod with a paint marker, start the engine and look at the pushrod, the pushrod shoud be marching around in a circle at idle. Observe the valve action. Look at rocker arm travel. If you see any rockers that are not moving up and down as far as the others this would indcate that a lobe has gone flat. I wish that I could be at your garage so I could help track down you problem as I have encountered about every problem you could have with these engines! Sometimes you have to be there first hand so you can hear the engine to make the diagnosis! Let us know what you find.

[mikesbigblock409]

Ihave tryed to find out who done the damage and the miles no one is talking i guess they know it would cost someone a rebuild if needed. Tomorrow i will check out the rockers and push rods and see if the lifters are turning the push rods as i have checked the coil wire and plug wire . the carb that i am running is a Edelbrock 750 the cam that i am useing is a ISKY 262 hyd 488 488 LIFT THE TRANS IS A 2 SPEED parglide .
Thanks for all the help i will keep everone up dated as i check it out .
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Mike

[bobs409]

Unbelieveable!!! I would find that guy and put his head on a post! That's just wrong and I would definetly look into legal action. If the engine has damage, that could be proof??

This is why I never leave my cars with anyone and I learned to do all my own work. There's only a few things I can't do. State inspections, front end alignments and trans repair. :D

[dq409]

First I would document all the damage with photos of the tires, crappy paint job and miles put on it by the shop.
Second I would consult an attorney.

Last I would come unglued in the face of the shop owner.
Demand that they pay for the repairs to the engine and new tires.
Also complain about the paint !!

What they did is plain wrong and needs to righted. :mad:

A good Louisville Slugger across his head would be the last resort !!! :takethat

One last bit of information or suggestion,,,,, NEVER leave the keys with the shop !!!!

Have them push the car around the shop !!!

If you have a mechanical shop that you trust have them diagnose the engine problems and what the likely cause is.

I would not do it myself as the problems being diagnosed independently will give more weight in going after the untrustworthy paint shop owner.

You may also call you insurance agent and see if they will cover it.

Get this Basta*d for everything you have coming !!!! ,,,,dq

[JimKwiatkowski]

I agree with dq have a independent repair shop diagnose the damage and maybe call a lawyer first to see if you have a legal lawsuit and the lawyer can tell you how he wants to handle this case.

[CDNpontiac409guy]

Mike, I have to say, this definitely sounds like a head problem....
that is, the HEAD of the creep who abused your car :mad: .

In these relatively small ( probably around $3000. ) civil matters, I have found that a lawyer is an unwarranted expense... that you won't necessarily be able to recover.
As was suggested by DQ, have an independant shop diagnose the WHOLE problem. Then apply a strategy... First, going to the shop owner with the estimate for repairs. It IS the shop owner's reponsibility. If he ignores your request, formally notify him in writing of the pending litigation. Give him a reasonable length of time ( 1-2 weeks ) to respond... if that doesn't work....
Have him served.

Yes too, I would first be taking the valve covers off and checking the valve train parts.

[mikesbigblock409]

Iam going to check in and see what can be done ,The car was painted in TN i live in Va Theres so few body shops here as we live in a very small town called Grundy Va .Iam going to get it repainted but this time is going to be different ,with no keys First i need to get the engine back on track .
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Mike

[jim_ss409]

Mayby you're due for some better luck. It might just be a bent pushrod. Alot of guys have had trouble with new cams wiping out a lobe within the first few hundred miles. Lets hope it's not that. :cry Good luck.

[bobs409]

I remember thinking about what I was going to do to keep anyone from running my engine back when I considered having the body/paint work done on mine. I decided that I would remove the carb and distributor from the engine so it couldn't run! If they balk, just say your going to have them rebuilt while this work is being done. ;)

Since then I learned to weld and now will do all the work myself but feel free to use "my plan" if you like. :D