My dream car!

[Tom Kochtanek]

An apparently unmolested '62 BA Sport Coupe:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4601433640&fromMakeTrack=true

I thought it might magically appear under my tree this year, but instead it hit the Ebay circuit :(.

Cheers!
TomK

[CDNpontiac409guy]

:eek: :bow :bow

OH YEAH ! ! ! !:deal

Buy it as is, put the original parts back on.... and don't touch it !
This is NOT a car to restore

I'd like to see some close-ups under the hood

[4onthefloor]

If its legit this is very cool. Too bad it's only one pic

[wrench]

If its legit this is very cool. Too bad it's only one pic

True. But the ad says it's a dealer installed 409. Does that make it a clone?
:rofl

I wonder how much of the factory installed 409 stuff made it onto the car when the dealer did the swap? I replaced my complete fuel line once - not a fun task.

[Tom Kochtanek]

Wrench, I think that ad mentioned that it was a 380 horse single carb original 409, that the owner had upgraded to the dual carb intake set up. I think he stated he had the original intake.

Either way, it's really neat to see an unrestored original :). We should ask him for some photos of the engine bay!

Best,
TomK

[wrench]

Wrench, I think that ad mentioned that it was a 380 horse single carb original 409, that the owner had upgraded to the dual carb intake set up. I think he stated he had the original intake.

Either way, it's really neat to see an unrestored original :). We should ask him for some photos of the engine bay!

Best,
TomK

DOH! :doh :doh :doh

[dq409]

Wak a doo wak a doo wak a dooo,,,

Check out his other auction item
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep-CJ-4MA-Rare-1950-1951-Willys-CJ-4MA-Military-Prototype_W0QQitemZ4601301143QQcategoryZ6286QQssPa geNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[dq409]

I don`t know,,,,, could be that DREAM car !!
I emailed him for more pictures and he posted more on the listing,, but,, they are so BIG they even took a while to open on my cable hookup !1
So,, I helped you guys out ,, here are a few,, I don`t think this guy has a clue,,,dq

[Bubbletop Bel-Air]

Nice car for someone looking for a 62 Sport Coupe, but with a current bid of 36,900, [reserve not met], seven days to go, and many modifications and non original parts and pieces, makes me wonder where the insanity will end.

On the bright side my 62 has the correct wheels, tires, dogdishes, air cleaner, valve covers, battery location, and does not have extra holes cut in the hood, trunk, radiator cross member, and firewall.

I must be looking at a gold mine in my garage. Guess I had better call my insurance company and have them raise the " agreed value " by about 20 grand.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Bubbletop Bel-Air]

I saw all the posted pictures, but for those of you who did not, take a look at the second pic dq409 put up. Major cases of mis-alignment on the generator, water pump, crank pulley belt. 40 grand just doesn't buy what it once did.

:dunno :dunno :dunno :dunno :dunno :dunno :dunno

[CDNpontiac409guy]

Somewhat disenchanting:(

I sure as #$%& wouldn't trade my "clone" for it:rolleyes:

[dq409]

Like I said ,, This guy hasn`t a clue,,

That is ,he hasn`t a clue what an unmolested stock from the factory never been painted or had body work done to it car is.
Sure the Belair looked good in the first picture. But his other pictures are tell tail of what the car really is.If you look at the super large pictures he posted you will see a lot more.

If you look at the hood it has been welded which means it had to be repainted at one time.
As far as i can tell this car needs a near complete redo to be valued at what the bidding is going for.
The winning bidder will be bitchin up a storm when he takes possession !

One of my good buddies has sold several extreamly NICE unrestored, unmolested, low mile, original condition cream puffs on Ebay at half the price of this car only to have the winning bidder Pee and moan about the smallest things. :mad:
He writes overly honest descriptions of his cars and comunicates fully and honestly about ever detail only to have the buyer still expect to get a ground up resto car. :cuss

I don`t know,,, maybe I`m missing something :dunno This guy is in for a rude awakening and so is the buyer,,, JMO,,dq

[wrench]

The winning bidder will be bitchin up a storm when he takes possession!

Gotta agree with D.

Unmolested doesn't mean pristine.

[CHEV601234]

So, how come the car has carpeting?:nono1:

[real61ss]

"So, how come the car has carpeting?"

Good question, I'm not sure about a '62 but the '61 Bel-Airs had carpet over the hump and a rubber mat everywhere else. I would think the '62 would be the same.

[4onthefloor]

Unmolested means....unmolested...this is molested.n62 Belair line was fully carpeted ! IMO the 62 Belair Htp is the most sought after of the Late Great years . This may be a little pricey but someone let me know where there are some cheap 409 62 HT's are...

[real61ss]

"this is molested.n62 Belair line was fully carpeted"



4onthefloor,
I'm not sure I understand, are you saying they did they have carpet?

[CHEV601234]

Unmolested means....unmolested...this is molested.n62 Belair line was fully carpeted ! IMO the 62 Belair Htp is the most sought after of the Late Great years . This may be a little pricey but someone let me know where there are some cheap 409 62 HT's are...

OK, old race cars went to the track with "stuff" in the trunk. Why the new repro trunk mat? Why no extra gauges or extra tach traces how come there's no paperwork on this car. it's only got 20K on it.
For 40K I'd want a lot more before I signed the check... but ehn people are willing to pay 900 for a 2x4 set-up that liiks like it was on the bottom of the bay for a few years...........:bang
ebay is a wonderful thing...................for the seller.:mad:

[SS425HP]

Also, look at the engine pictures. The hose clamps are NEW. Never saw those tower hose clamps that didn't rust, especially when 44 years old. I know, it's picking, but a lot of what else has been said makes sense, too. I think this is less than a pristine car. A friend of mine built a PRISTINE 62 BBL top, and sold it to Floyd Garrett for less than 30K. It was PERFECT. This car, even if not restored and in original condition, is not worth the bidding price, IMHO. I still think stuff like this, and especially Barrett-Jackson pricing, is driven by a need to launder money. There is no rhyme or reason for some of the prices I see cars going for. Has to be something else to it. OR stupid people with too much money.

Fred

[Ronnie Russell]

Fred, Agree with you completely about the money laundering theory. I guess to get the big money, one only has to take a picture of a odometer reading. Whats scary is that the bids keep going up on that car. And since you brought it up.... Barret-Jackson Jan.17 thru 22nd on Speedvision. Every year I sit in front of the TV for hours watching in disbelief. But I have to admit, I enjoy every second. Wished they would get more knowledgable commentators though.

[mabeauchamp]

Here's the link to the auction list. There are actually a couple of 62s that didn't go on E-Bay up for sale. I'm interested to see what type of money they bring. Plenty of 58-64s, some W equipped.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/makelistnb.asp?auctionid=53&makeid=1770&page=2

[4onthefloor]

Real61SS.....yes the 62 was fully carpeted....something didn't come out right in my post. Question for you guys talking about money laundering....how the hell would these people be laundering money on TV ???!!!:rolleyes:

[Tom Kochtanek]

Not to add fuel to any fire, because there ain't no fire, but I do know a few well off car folks who attend these auctions. I know a seller (Corvettes) and a buyer (wide variety of interests, big pockets). They go to these auctions for a purpose. And I'm pretty certain they are not using ill gotten monies.

But they do drive the prices up, I suspect. The Corvette fellow buys and sells out of a major city in the Midwest, and has a legitimate business. He takes 2-3 cars to B-J each year, the high dollar kind (big block tri-carbed midyear Corvettes, ocassionally an early "fuelie") and gets enormous prices (six figures) that he might not get in months of "floor advertising". The buyer I mention collects and restores selected automobiles and motorcycles, and generally keeps them in his shop. I've passed along a few pictures of his place, complete with the cars ranging from Indy cars to 1903 Buicks. He even has a "foreign contingent" consisting of Messerschmidts, BMWs and other weird "novelty cars". And a great assortment of Brit bikes (Nortons, BSAs, TRiumphs, all the oldies from the 50s and 60s). He's just a big kid at heart. With a bit of money from real estate transactions. And he works on them with his own hands!

These two may be anomalies, but I suspect there may be others in their 50s, 60s, and 70s (or maybe younger!) who have retired and are looking for some fun and an investment. And price isn't the big issue. Neither is storage. I need to be more like these guys, only maybe a bit more prudent with my dollars :).

I know we can argue that these guys are driving the hobby out of site for the most of us, and in a way they are. But the ones I know are having fun having worked hard all their lives in another capacity. There may be some who are laundering money, but the guys on the scene would be representatives, not the crooks.

I think there are more "Reggie Jackson's" out there than we might suspect. And these guys "swing for the fences" :). Me, I am just glad to be up to the plate. I might take ball four and get on base once in while. Maybe a bunt here and there to move a colleague along. But not a high roller. If I was rich, I would have called Jack Gibbs up and bought his date coded 1962 QB block he had on Ebay last week (eat my heart out!). But I'm too cheap!!! I prefer to call it "prudent" or "frugal". I know if I look hard enough, I will find what I want at my price. My wife calls it an "obsession" :). These are just observations and opinions, FWIW :).

Cheers!
TomK

[gearhead409]

i'am not too concerned of the prices these cars are bringing. i will admit it is getting harder for the new guy to get into this hobby. i have alot invested in cars and parts and would be more concerned if prices were going down. my thoughts when i got in this hobby was to enjoy these cars and make a nice little nest-egg for my retirement years. lets see, a barn full of old cars @ $ 50 grand each? LOOKS OK TO ME!

[real61ss]

Gearhead409,
I agree with what you said, that's my plan also 'cept my barn is very small!!!!:rofl

[4onthefloor]

Well said Tom....many of us are not into this hobby for investment purposes or money but in the end its kind of nice to know we may actually get he money back that we foolishly spent when we shouldn't have!!:doh

[Tom Kochtanek]

I second, third and fourth that!

It is surprising how fast it all adds up, especially if one does a rather intensive body-off "restification". I was putting together some pics for a website on the '62 SS build and stumbled on my well-hidden expenses page. I keep track of each expenditure on a spreadsheet and try not to look at it often, or total it up. Being near the end of the project, it afforded me (interesting choice of words...) the luxury of retrospective examination. It really does add up, and I thought I cut a million corners in terms of costs by doing a bunch of stuff myself. Think again!

I will say this -- there is no way i could ever pay "shop fees" to properly restore a car back to near original! I just added the parts and some labor for things I couldn't do myself, and that was a whopper! I value my effort at 25 cents an hour, so that wasn't very much... (I did figure about 1200 hours so far, does that sound correct?).

So if you were to have a lot of work done other than slave labor, you really can rack up the costs. That's why it's sometimes nice to see a vehicle go for $25, $30, even $40 thousand dollars once in a while. It doesn't mean mine can compare to that, but it does mean that if I were to go bankrupt, I would at least have some liquid assets :).

Enjoy!
TomK

[4onthefloor]

"stumbled on my well-hidden expenses page"

:nono1: I never even want to know that info !!! Its better when I add it up in my head and later on if I have to sell it I can lie to myself and think I at least broke even !!:rofl I always used to conveniently leave out the cost of the car when I bought it. A good frame off restoration 1000 to 1500 hours is gonna be at least 50k without parts !

[Ronnie Russell]

I certainly agree with you guys. I never keep a list of expenditures on a car project. Much too depressing. TomK s 25 cts an hour sounds pretty good to me. Just spent two weeks scrapeing 44 yrs of caked on mud, dirt, grease and oil off of this old clunker. No way you could hire someone to do that, in fact I dont even know anyone who would do it. I would do much better at applying for my "dream job". Wal-Mart greeter. "Good morning,Mam--Good afternoon, Sir--Howdy do ,Miss-- " I could do that job and knock down $5 an hour!!!!!! Much more pofitable than working on this old junker. Downside is that I would have to be at work at a particular time and work particular hours. Cant do that anymore so I will keep cleaning on this old car. My back is killing me!!!

[Bubbletop Bel-Air]

$50,500.00 and still climbing!!!! Think I'll roll mine out, throw some wax at it, and start planning on how to spend my new fortune.

:rofl :cheers :rofl :cheers :rofl :cheers

[mabeauchamp]

I just read a post by someone on ChevyTalk that swears he knows the car and states it legit. If so, is the current price reasonable in today's market? Also, any thoughts of it crashing (the market) in the near future. Didn't something similar happen in the late 80s?

[mabeauchamp]

After throwing that question out there about the market, I guess I should give my unqualified (non-economist, non-financial investor, non-market analyst) opinion. I think the market is bound to crash or at least stabilize. It is simple supply vs demand. The demand generated by overhaulin, american hot rod, and amateurs like me trying to capture or recapture their misspent youth will eventually decrease. As demand decreases, prices will decrease.

I guess I'd caution anyone at looking at these as an investment. View the cars as a hobby, a love, a passion, an obsession. Throw the spreadsheet away or at least don't tally it up. Have fun. Buy a 50k car if you have the money and want it. Enjoy as you would when you were 18.

Hope I didn't offend anyone. Still a little new and don't want to push my luck. Just had to throw my two cents in. I'll climb down from the soap box now.