4 Simple questions from an attorney

Jim Sullivan

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I just got this in an email today, may have been around already.

4 Simple questions from an attorney
Here are 4 Simple questions from an attorney...are there ANY logical answers ?
You be the judge……
Here's what I would like to know. If the TRUTH ever comes out and it
Is decided that Obama was never eligible to be president, what happens
To all the laws he signed into being and all the executive orders?
Should they all be and void?
Here are 4 Simple questions from a reputable attorney...This really
Should get your "gray matter" to churning, even if you are an Obama
Fan.
For all you "anti-Fox News" folks, none of this information came from
Fox. All of it can be verified from legitimate sources (Wikipedia, the
Kapiolani hospital website itself, and a good history book, as noted
Herein). It is very easy for someone to check out.
4 Simple Questions .....
1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes’. So how can the
Obama 'birth certificate' state he is "African-American" when the term
Wasn't even used at that time ?
2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's
Birth as August 4, 1961 and Lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father.
No big deal, Right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that
His father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, East Africa".
This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that
Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's
Birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father
Have been born in a country that did not yet Exist ?
Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British
East Africa Protectorate". (check it below)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_(http:/en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Kenya)
3. On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed
Place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".
This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were
Called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity
Home", respectively.
The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological
Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this
Particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961
If this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?
(CHECK IT BELOW)
( http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx )
Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?
4. Perhaps a clue comes from Obama's book on his father. He states how
Proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I'm not a math genius, so
I may need some help from you. Barack Obama's "birth certificate" says
His father was 25 years old in 1961 when Obama was born. That should
Have put his father's date of birth approximately 1936 - if my math
Holds (Honest! I did that without a calculator!) Now we need a
Non-revised history book-one that hasn't been altered to satisfy the
Author's' goals-to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and
1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in Wars? Even in the latest
Stages of WW II his father wouldn't have been more than 9 years old.
Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter
The facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes ?
Very truly yours,
RICHARD R. SILVERLIEB
Attorney at Law
354 Eisenhower Parkway
Livingston, NJ 07039
"A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than a gun in the hands of 200 million law-abiding citizens.
Send this to as many Patriots as you can! Ask your Republican friends
In Washington D.C. If they have a backbone ... Why in the hell can't
They use it and get media coverage to explode this across our country?
Impeachment in itself is not justice! We are talking orange jumpsuit
& long prison sentences.
 

Iowa 409 Guy

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Supporting Member 15
I find it near impossible to believe, how would the entire Republican party AND Sheriff Joe not notice these supposed discrepancies? I guess the Senators and Congressmen could be that dumb but NOT Sheriff Joe.

I think I read somewhere that the DOJ is putting the clamps on Sheriff Joe.
 

IMBVSUR?

Well Known Member
Supporting Member 2
I wished I could say something that would make a difference in any of this. The sad thing is the Obama supporters don't care if any of it is true. They don't care if most of the things their opposition says is true. They don't care even if it means the downfall of this country. They have their party, and they are going to stick to it regardless of any truth or facts. The sad thing about that is that it looks like the Republicans are doing the same. We have a country that is about equally divided. The branches of government are no longer separate to insure the best outcome of our society. The hate between the two parties seems to be impassible. It is truly a sad state of affairs. I often "try" to tell my liberal co-worker / office mate, that Obama could have squashed most of the problems concerning his citizenship, and college records by just putting them out there. However he didn't. In fact he refused too. So even if any or all of the above is wrong, it doesn't matter. Obama has kept this going through his own ignorance. And of course anyone that questions anything about him is a racist. How the F can that be? What basis is the racist card played with Obama? How can anyone be called a racist for disagreeing with his policies? Can anyone tie any of his stupidity to racism? However, that is the state of our society. Split and divided, executive orders, political assassinations ( job wise ) and massive hate from the left that claims to be the party of inclusion ( unless you disagree with them ) You would think that if any or all of the aforementioned above was true, everyone would want him out. Just like the IRS issues. Everyone should want it taken care of. After all, things like the IRS are allowed to happen, then what to the left think is going to happen when the right gets power? And that too should never happen. I guess people are just too full of hate to realize that tomorrow is another day, and their turn will come.
 

jim_ss409

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Supporting Member 5
I think you're beating a dead horse with this birther stuff. :horse

If you highlight "4 Simple questions from an attorney" then press the "search with Google icon"
The Snopes site will be right up at the top of the page...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

They seem to think the birth certificate is legitimate. :dunno
If it wasn't, I'm guessing Donald Trump would still be pressing this issue. :dunno
 

Dave B.

New Member
This is a hoax. Richard Silverlieb denies having anything to do with it.
The first three numbered points come from an article on the comedy website Weekly World News from January 6, 2012:
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/42157/obama-birth-certificate-fake/
They're all false. Down the line:

1. President Obama's race isn't stated on his birth certificate. The term "African-American" doesn't appear on the document:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

2. Kenya's been called "Kenya" since the 1920's, when it ceased to be known as the British East Africa Protectorate:

The Kenya Colony Order in Council, 1921:
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/issue/13722/page/1125
Colony and Protectorate of Kenya, Annual Report for 1921:
http://libsysdigi.library.illinois....-05/5530244/5530244_1921/5530244_1921_opt.pdf
The Official Gazette of the Colony and Protectorate of Kenya, Published under the authority of His Excellency the Governor of the Colony and Protectorate of Kenya, Nairobi, February 9, 1921:
http://books.google.com/books?id=3fJEm85HCDQC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

Kenya Gazette dated August 8, 1961-- the same day President Obama's birth certificate was filed.
https://books.google.com/books?id=3vtrD-mcJxEC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

In the Annual Report of the Immigration and Naturalization Service for the Year Ended June 30, 1962 (which includes Obama's birth date),
http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/n8/mode/1up
you will find Kenya among the countries listed in Table 31, on page 74; and in Table 32, on page 77.

In Barack Obama, Sr.'s INS file, as published here,
http://www.scribd.com/doc/54015762/Barack-Hussein-Obama-Sr-Immigration-File
the very first document you will find is an Alien Registration card from September of 1962 in which Barack Obama, Sr. reports his own nationality as "Kenya." Moving down to page 31, you'll find a Notice and Report Concerning Nonimmigrant "F-1" Student signed June 27, 1962, which lists Barack Obama, Sr.'s Country of birth as "Kenya, Africa"-- and his Country of citizenship as "Africa."
On page 34, you'll find a handwritten memo dated August 31, 1961, which includes the notation,
"When finished school here plans to go to a mainland school for a Doctor Degree in Economics-- after that to return to Kenya."
On page 35, you'll find an Application to Extend Time of Temporary Stay, dated August 31, 1961, which lists Barack Obama, Sr.'s country of birth and country of citizenship as "Kenya."
On page 37, you'll find a Certificate of Eligibility for Nonimmigrant "F" Student Status which lists Barack Obama, Sr.'s Place of Birth as "Kenya (Africa)."
On page 39, you'll find a Memo for File regarding an allegation of bigamy on the part of Barack Obama, Sr., which says, in part,
"Mrs. McCabe, University of Hawaii, Foreign Student advisor, called on 4/10/61 and reported that BARACK H. OBAMA, a student at the University since 1959 was married on February 2, 1961 to Stanley Ann Dunham, a United States citizen from Seattle, Washington in Maui, Hawaii. The problem is that when he arrived in the U.S. the subject had a wife in Kenya. The Subject was born on June 18, 1934 in Kisumu, Nyanza, Kenya, Africa and entered the U.S. at New York, N.Y. on August 9, 1959 as an F student...Subject told Mrs. McCabe that in Kenya all that is necessary to be divorced is to tell the wife that she is divorced and that constitutes a legal divorce. Subject claims to have been divorced from his wife in Kenya in this method."
On page 43 you'll find an Application to Extend Time of Temporary Stay, dated July 28, 1960, in which Barack Obama, Sr. reports that he is a citizen or subject of Kenya, and was born at Kisumu, Nyanza, Kenya.
On page 45, you'll find a Certificate of Eligibility for Nonimmigrant "F" Student Status, dated 24 July 1960, listing Barack Obama, Sr.'s Place of Birth as "Kenya."
On page 51, you'll find a Report of Initial Registration and Termination of Attendance of Nonimmigrant "F" Student, dated July 28, 1960, which lists Barack Obama, Sr.'s place of birth as "Kenya, Africa."
On page 52, you'll find an Alien Registration fingerprint card, dated July 28, 1960, listing Barack Obama, Sr.'s race and nationality as "Kenya," and his place of birth as "Kisumu-Nyanza, Kenya."
On page 54, you'll find an alien fingerprint record, date-stamped August 15, 1960, listing Barack Obama, Sr.'s race and nationality as "Kenya," and his place of birth as "KisumuNyanza, Kenya."
Kenya ceased to be called the "British East Africa Protectorate" in 1921. Government documents from the US, the UK and Kenya regularly referred to the Colony and Protectorate of Kenya as "Kenya."

3. The hospital name on the birth certificate is correct, and is the name by which the hospital was known from 1931 to 1971. It acquired its current name, the Kapi'olani Center for Women and Children, in 1978.
The Nordyke twins' birth certificates, dated August 11, 1961:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Nordyke.jpg
A couple of articles from WorldNet Daily, by birther author and vociferous critic of Obama Jerome Corsi, with images of the Nordyke twins' birth certificates:
http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/105347/
http://www.wnd.com/2011/04/292717/
A medical journal article, published in 1943, originating from the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital and the Department of Clinical Pathology, The Clinic, Honolulu, T.H.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2033117/?page=1
A 1934 lawsuit involving the hospital:
http://www.leagle.com/decision/193486370F2d793_1573
And yet another birth certificate from August 1961, on which the hospital name appears just as it did on Barack Obama's:
http://rcradioblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/johanna-bc.jpg

4. This point apparently originated with whoever first put together the chain e-mail. Nowhere in either "Dreams From My Father" nor "The Audacity of Hope" does Barack Obama say anything about "his father fighting in WW II." You'd have to read the books yourself for this one.
 

IMBVSUR?

Well Known Member
Supporting Member 2
Jeff, the "race card" works, that's why they use it.:bat

Your right Skip. However I call them on it every time. If it is legitimate, I will support it, and I have seen it first hand, however most of the time it is just an excuse for lack of personal ambition, responsibility for their actions, or bad parenting. As for Obama, no one will ever be able to call me a racist and get away with it. Has nothing to do with his skin color. Besides, he has a white mother. Therefore, being that we all know that whites are fair game these days ( as well as officers of any color or race ( black is not a race )) I am insulting his policies based on the white part of him. And honestly, it's his policies and actions, and I don't care what color, race, sex, sexual orientation, religion etc. Scum is Scum no matter how it is wrapped up.
 

Iowa 409 Guy

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Supporting Member 15
I wished I could say something that would make a difference in any of this. The sad thing is the Obama supporters don't care if any of it is true. They don't care if most of the things their opposition says is true. They don't care even if it means the downfall of this country. They have their party, and they are going to stick to it regardless of any truth or facts. The sad thing about that is that it looks like the Republicans are doing the same. We have a country that is about equally divided. The branches of government are no longer separate to insure the best outcome of our society. The hate between the two parties seems to be impassible. It is truly a sad state of affairs. I often "try" to tell my liberal co-worker / office mate, that Obama could have squashed most of the problems concerning his citizenship, and college records by just putting them out there. However he didn't. In fact he refused too. So even if any or all of the above is wrong, it doesn't matter. Obama has kept this going through his own ignorance. And of course anyone that questions anything about him is a racist. How the F can that be? What basis is the racist card played with Obama? How can anyone be called a racist for disagreeing with his policies? Can anyone tie any of his stupidity to racism? However, that is the state of our society. Split and divided, executive orders, political assassinations ( job wise ) and massive hate from the left that claims to be the party of inclusion ( unless you disagree with them ) You would think that if any or all of the aforementioned above was true, everyone would want him out. Just like the IRS issues. Everyone should want it taken care of. After all, things like the IRS are allowed to happen, then what to the left think is going to happen when the right gets power? And that too should never happen. I guess people are just too full of hate to realize that tomorrow is another day, and their turn will come.

I couldn't agree with you more Jeff. As far as vetting by the press and other media the current president has always been hands off. I don't give a crap about the birther deal, I want to see documents from his college years. Why are they sealed?
Hardly anyone speaks about it, but how many white single women were screwing black married men back in the 60's ? We used to call the result a mulatto........

On another note, if someone's point of view upsets a person, there is an ignore feature that can used.
 
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