409 starter problem?

[Red 409 63 impala]

Still having a problem with a ticking sound. Originally thought might be coming from around where the distributor mounts...only had the engine in neutral. Got the clutch linkage hooked up and now noticed it gets worse when I depress the clutch. Checked the the throw out bearing in the clutch forks both fingers appear correct. The only thing that seems wrong is the washer on the starter shaft is very close to the flywheel. Every thing is new or be built and original parts, except the clutch that is a LUK matched set, 409 replacement. The starter is supposed to be correct.
Does the 552 bell housing need a special starter?

 

[64ss409]

Could that tin shield be contacting the crank or the flywheel bolts?

 

[Don Jacks]

Take the flywheel cover off and see if the noise goes away.Ron is very likely right as those metal covers often will only go on and be quiet "if you hold your mouth just right."

 

[MRHP]

I e been there a time or two.

 

[IMBVSUR?]

I have experienced the tinging noise in my life time also. Often its the inspection cover. Just out of curiosity though, have you slowly turned that engine over and looked at the runout on that ring gear. Man does it look close to the washer on the starter from the pictures

 

[Red 409 63 impala]

The inspection cover has never been on the car. I had someone step on the clutch and I watched the stater shaft. Nothing changed and the clutch appeared to operate perfectly. your idea of turning over the engine and watching everything is next. Spring project as it is starting to snow and the garage is cold. Just dreading removing the starter. (Removing the exhaust manifold, etc.)

 

[64ss409]

Isn't that a black tin shield that it bolted between the starter and the bell housing? Can that one be contacting in the crank area?

 

[IMBVSUR?]

The inspection cover has never been on the car. I had someone step on the clutch and I watched the stater shaft. Nothing changed and the clutch appeared to operate perfectly. your idea of turning over the engine and watching everything is next. Spring project as it is starting to snow and the garage is cold. Just dreading removing the starter. (Removing the exhaust manifold, etc.)

Just start it and look under the car with a flash light. Preferable with someone in the car holding the brake and giving it some gas a few times to see if there is runout on the ring gear, or if that crank is walking a little.

 

[La Hot Rods]

Do you have one of those mechanic stethoscopes?

 

[bwell]

I agree with 64ss409. I had a similar sound and it was the tin shield ( not the dust cover) contacting the back of the flywheel at the crank.

 

[El Rat]

Me thinks that the black “cover” has the starter “pushed” toward the radiator. If you remove it the starter will move toward the rear end and the “washer” will no longer contact the ring gear.

 

[oldskydog]

Looks like that shield is captured between the starter and block acting as a spacer. I'm pretty sure it is supposed to fit around the starter not bolted to it.

 

[bjburnout]

Had a ticking in our 66 Impala after a long run and everything was heat soaked......
No ticking before installing a Tremec 5 speed.......
After many inspections and even checking valve clearances it turned out to be a transmission bolt expanding
and contacting the pressure plate. Installed one washer and no more ticking.........

 

[64ss409]

I am guessing that black tin we see is the front part of the dust cover as in the photo below.

 

[38Chevy]

Might try adding a shim on the back side of the armature between the thrush washer and the housing pushing the armature toward the drive end a little more. Might move the keeper away from the flywheel just enough to prevent contact.

 

[64ss409]

Might try adding a shim on the back side of the armature between the thrush washer and the housing pushing the armature toward the drive end a little more. Might move the keeper away from the flywheel just enough to prevent contact.

Good idea. That thrust washer behind the armature may be incorrect or missing.

 

[64ss409]

Also check the one one the other end next to the snap ring for correct installation.

 

[Red 409 63 impala]

Had a day in the upper 50’s and got under the car..removed the tin shield between the starter. Yippe,,, the ticking went away. To remove the shield without pulling the starter I destroyed the shield and just unbolted the starter.Could be a repo part made close but not quite right.

 

[Gofish]

I had to trim the heck out of my tin shield to get it to fit right. However, I have a 700R4.