If I won the lottery I would snatch it up as I have a huge weakness for 65 409 cars especially when there done already.
Validating a 65 409 Impala
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It had an anemic 283 PG in it.
I always wished, his was a 409.
How many $'s does it take to acquire this said item?
I 've wanted to ask myself, however realistically, I am not in a position to purchasing extra motors right now, but man I would like to.
david montanbeau
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Any updates on this 65 409 car?
I did own a real 65 triple black SS 409-400. Bought it from the original owner in Detroit in 1968. The guy ordered the car from Emmert Chev in Detroit. I was 16 and the owner was about 20. He had lost his license from street racing. Paid 400.00. I drove the car until 1970. Bought a 62 Impala that was never titled for the street. Pulled the engine and trans from the 65 and installed it into the 62. Was not easy. Had to change the oil pan and had to buy headers. Sold the 65 body to a guy in Detroit that was putting a 427 into it for a drag car. Pictures of 65, not the actual car. The 62 the car in the pictures.
I did own a real 65 triple black SS 409-400. Bought it from the original owner in Detroit in 1968. The guy ordered the car from Emmert Chev in Detroit. I was 16 and the owner was about 20. He had lost his license from street racing. Paid 400.00. I drove the car until 1970. Bought a 62 Impala that was never titled for the street. Pulled the engine and trans from the 65 and installed it into the 62. Was not easy. Had to change the oil pan and had to buy headers. Sold the 65 body to a guy in Detroit that was putting a 427 into it for a drag car. Pictures of 65, not the actual car. The 62 the car in the pictures.
I thought I had closed the loop a while ago. I was bought and verified after the fact, as a numbers matching 340hp 409 4spd Impala. I never inspected it in any detail myself as I did not have a vested interest in it. To much was given in my opinion to acquire it, based on what I felt it was worth, and was not sold but traded IIRC to make a little on it in the long run.
Randy Redmond
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Hey RockFish39 - great write up. I own a 65 409 car and all of your references were right on - great job!!!!
So it seems that the bar keeps moving up and up, as this still continues to be a big money game...
I saw a new one last week and just want to share. Red on red '65 SS 409 hardtop car for sale. 400HP 4-speed. Numbers, Date Codes and so on.... Of course any numbers "stamped" were all in alignment , so far so good.
Kinda vague on the block casting date which was politely not mentioned at all. Said that the engine was worked by 409 Chevy Performance?
Seems like alot of effort and expense to ship a block off to Jack to have him and no-one else work on it for you. I'm pretty sure that Jack can do it, but Jack has an inventory of these engines which he sells for profit. He's not just sitting there waiting for people to send him stuff to machine for them.
A more plausible explanation would be that the complete engine was PURCHASED from 409 Chevy Performance, to the advertised tune of $15K !!
The guy selling the car also states in his ad that he DOES NOT want to be called or bothered by any so called "409" experts.
OK, red flag raised upon reading that because is makes things suspect right away, But let's give it the benefit of the doubt.
That ad continues along with the detailed description of "the numbers" until we get to the VIN. Sure, the car had a 16637 vin, BUT the digits following the 5 were 223xxx
Ad claims that the car was the 22,300th some odd impala produced that year. The wording was slick, but is entirely wrong. Any '65 with a vin sequence number like that is well above the 122,300th car produced. He miscounted by 100,000 cars. In other words, more than likely a late June - sometime early in August '65 car.
Ooops can't be a factory 409 as advertised, right???
Now the NEW thing that I noticed is turning the clock back on the the data tag. I've not seen that before
Data tag with correct rivets shows a first week of Jan 65 build date in the upper left. Works well with the rest of the story... But it does not jive with the VIN.
There are companies out there (like AG Backeast) that will make a data tag for you and will make it say anything that you want it to. Not illegal, because the DMV is concerned with the what? THE VIN !!! You cannot alter the VIN. DMV could care less about the data tag.
The moral of the story here guys is be thorough before plunking down alot of your hard earned cash for an "original" rare car.
I saw a new one last week and just want to share. Red on red '65 SS 409 hardtop car for sale. 400HP 4-speed. Numbers, Date Codes and so on.... Of course any numbers "stamped" were all in alignment , so far so good.
Kinda vague on the block casting date which was politely not mentioned at all. Said that the engine was worked by 409 Chevy Performance?
Seems like alot of effort and expense to ship a block off to Jack to have him and no-one else work on it for you. I'm pretty sure that Jack can do it, but Jack has an inventory of these engines which he sells for profit. He's not just sitting there waiting for people to send him stuff to machine for them.
A more plausible explanation would be that the complete engine was PURCHASED from 409 Chevy Performance, to the advertised tune of $15K !!
The guy selling the car also states in his ad that he DOES NOT want to be called or bothered by any so called "409" experts.
OK, red flag raised upon reading that because is makes things suspect right away, But let's give it the benefit of the doubt.
That ad continues along with the detailed description of "the numbers" until we get to the VIN. Sure, the car had a 16637 vin, BUT the digits following the 5 were 223xxx
Ad claims that the car was the 22,300th some odd impala produced that year. The wording was slick, but is entirely wrong. Any '65 with a vin sequence number like that is well above the 122,300th car produced. He miscounted by 100,000 cars. In other words, more than likely a late June - sometime early in August '65 car.
Ooops can't be a factory 409 as advertised, right???
Now the NEW thing that I noticed is turning the clock back on the the data tag. I've not seen that before
Data tag with correct rivets shows a first week of Jan 65 build date in the upper left. Works well with the rest of the story... But it does not jive with the VIN.
There are companies out there (like AG Backeast) that will make a data tag for you and will make it say anything that you want it to. Not illegal, because the DMV is concerned with the what? THE VIN !!! You cannot alter the VIN. DMV could care less about the data tag.
The moral of the story here guys is be thorough before plunking down alot of your hard earned cash for an "original" rare car.
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Seems like the block I have in the Crusher was the 7th block built for the 65 year if I recall correctly.
Now onto the BIG 1965 secret that not many of these dealers know. All '65 W engines are 656 blocks. OK, so now the big question is how do you tell a truck block from a passenger car block from the outside ??? Look at the front of the block near the fuel pump. You will see a round pad for what looks like a stud boss. If you see a 7/16*14 tapped hole in that place it's a truck or post '65 replacement or agricultural/marine block. If it is solid cast iron, meaning no tapped hole, it's a passenger car block. Big truck engine mounts in '65 bolt to the front of the block, not the sides like that cars d
Rock[/QUOTE]
Can I ask for some wisdom on my 1963 original 400/425 hp Impala engine block code? It is not the original block, but is 64/65 I am learning. It has no QA or stamping anywhere. It has no JA anywhere. Here is what I have
6857656 in correct place ( with GM 4 and the calendar thing), nothing else
C70 cast in the next boss to its right
253d in the next boss to its right
Cast into block behind flywheel:
814 or 314
W011
962
And, thank goodness, it is not a truck block, maybe a service replacement?
What do you think?
The photos are hard to decipher but I will post them next
Thank you
Chip
Rock[/QUOTE]
Can I ask for some wisdom on my 1963 original 400/425 hp Impala engine block code? It is not the original block, but is 64/65 I am learning. It has no QA or stamping anywhere. It has no JA anywhere. Here is what I have
6857656 in correct place ( with GM 4 and the calendar thing), nothing else
C70 cast in the next boss to its right
253d in the next boss to its right
Cast into block behind flywheel:
814 or 314
W011
962
And, thank goodness, it is not a truck block, maybe a service replacement?
What do you think?
The photos are hard to decipher but I will post them next
Thank you
Chip
6857656 in correct place ( with GM 4 and the calendar thing), nothing else- 65 or later service casting
C70 cast in the next boss to its right- actually CFD for Central Foundry Division
253d in the next boss to its right-253rd calendar day of the year, probably 65
Cast into block behind flywheel:
814 or 314- it is 814 representing the last 3 digits of the 63 block casting numbers
W011-representing the "W" series 011 last 3 digits of the late 58 to 61 348 casting number
962- last 3 digits of the late 61 to 64 348 casting number. Don't really know why the 655 doesn't appear here for the last version of the 348 but it may have gotten a new front and /or rear pattern mold.
These characters on the front (inside of the timing cover) and rear of the block (inside the bellhousing) represent the different block castings that used the same front and rear casting patterns (molds) that were used with the different inner patterns to cast the engine blocks.
C70 cast in the next boss to its right- actually CFD for Central Foundry Division
253d in the next boss to its right-253rd calendar day of the year, probably 65
Cast into block behind flywheel:
814 or 314- it is 814 representing the last 3 digits of the 63 block casting numbers
W011-representing the "W" series 011 last 3 digits of the late 58 to 61 348 casting number
962- last 3 digits of the late 61 to 64 348 casting number. Don't really know why the 655 doesn't appear here for the last version of the 348 but it may have gotten a new front and /or rear pattern mold.
These characters on the front (inside of the timing cover) and rear of the block (inside the bellhousing) represent the different block castings that used the same front and rear casting patterns (molds) that were used with the different inner patterns to cast the engine blocks.
Give the Old Sky Dog a cigar !!!!! Did it better and faster than me
Back in the late 60's I bought a used 65 409 to stick in my 58 1 1/2 ton truck. The owner had pulled it to install a new 427. It was missing the carb, air cleaner and pulleys. I was able to buy new pulleys and carb. I had to drill the hole by the fuel pump for the horse shoe mount. The block is stamped T0129JA. I have never looked to see what partial vin is stamped there. I still use the truck occasionally for hauling scrap, garbage etc.
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