That's easy. Post pictures of the exterior, engine area and interior. We'll pick it apart!
Real or fake 63 409 Bel Air?
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That's easy. Post pictures of the exterior, engine area and interior. We'll pick it apart!
Right on, Bob Same ones on my 64 Belair. Ask Phil about the gas lines. A 327/300 had a 3/8 line
Checl the flange on the suspension bushings. I think all 09;s had heavy duty suspension. The flanges have a triangular notch in them. But taxi cabs used them as well. Phil???
Didn't 63 and 63 use the same badges and 64 and 65 use the taller numbers?Okay, I bought this Bel Air online a few months ago. Got it home and it has some pretty bad rust. That is not my problem however. The 409 emblems, tach and dog dish hubcaps.....well I just couldn't help myself.
I get it home and some people here locally say it is a real '09 car and others say fake.
Yes, I have been researching all over the net. I know about the 3/8 fuel line outside the a arm, the hole in the firewall for the ballast resistor....this car has both. It does not have the fuel line return, was a three on the tree car from the factory and worst of all has what seems to be '62 409 badges?
My 409 car....
I was looking at the pic of the column tac above and noticed is different than my 63. The tac above goes to 6000 w/ a red line @ 5000.
My tac hac goes to 7000K w/ a red line @ 6000. Does that mean my tac is an "after market" tac?
What type of tac came on the 63 409/425?
My tac hac goes to 7000K w/ a red line @ 6000. Does that mean my tac is an "after market" tac?
What type of tac came on the 63 409/425?
Martin B
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Check what flange on the suspension bushings?
400 and 425 horse has a 7000 tach. Any 340 horse and below had 6000 rpm tach
All the control arm bushings front and rear have a flange. Only the heavy duty ones have a triangular notch in the edge. probably so assemblers could ID them without part numbers. Of course after 50 years most of these have been changed. Bob
What makes a bushing "heavy duty", they're all the same diameter and length, right?
Yep, those babies belong on my 64 Belair. The Red 63 above are correct.
While it would be great to prove one way or another. You will learn all of the fun jokes you can play on people look into your engine bay and pass judgement on you. I showed up to the drag strip with the wagon you see above not even able to move under its own power. Not only did the 348-409 group give me a thumbs up. Some of them dug into their trailers for parts and several stayed up late into the night to help me turn wrenches to get it ready to run down the track the next day. When you are a fan of W motors, you are family whether you car was ever born with a W motor in it. Don't get caught up in worrying about what anyone else says to bring the value of your car down because my cheap family wagon has me, my wife and two boys all smiling ear to ear. My kids literally can't go outside without asking to go see "dad's race car" (3 year old and 20 month old). If it is or isn't its pretty sweet to all of us here. Last time I checked the only people that really care about these motors/cars spend time on this web page. Not walking around putting down anyone's project. If I purchased a 24" cube of crushed metal that was a true 1963 Z11, I'd drag that cube everywhere I go and smile ear to ear when people put it down. Dig as far as you like but spend more time on getting her on the road and don't worry that much about all original.
It would be interesting to see if you can figure out the original paint color of the trunk and front fenders. We know the trunk lid is not original, just wondering if the front fenders are original to the car. If the front fenders aren't original could answer a lot of questions.
fourzeronine
Well Known Member
I don't see that anyone has mentioned the trim down the side isn't what would have been on a Bel Air (or any other '63 trim level). It looks like some sort of aftermarket add-on trim.
Seems like this was one that someone added stuff to in order to fit their own "vision".
Seems like this was one that someone added stuff to in order to fit their own "vision".
Someone wanted a 64 belair and couldn't afford one. LOL!