Real or fake 63 409 Bel Air?
- Thread starter Martin B
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If anybody is still interested in this, I was looking thru a Muscle Car Classics June 1992 magazine. There is a picture of a Brent Rhodes 409 1963 2 door sedan on the line at the 1963 Winter Nationals. Sure looks like the engine emblems are on the front of the front fender.
Show us a picture but keep in mind you can drill holes anywhere on these cars and put emblems on. Plus up front of the fenders is so much easier to get access to without removing wheel well or pulling fenders off of these cars.
This is the magazine that shows the 63 409 at the Winter Nations in 1963. It's not a very good copy but the best I could get. The actual magazine magazine image is a little better but you can't tell for certain. 1964Superstocker has a good point. That is in line with some other posts on this forum that have concluded that trying to validate that a car actually came off the assembly line with a W engine is an "exercise in futility".
Yes the blocks and transmissions were stamped with the last half of the vin starting with the letter for the assembly plant. This is the same number that is on your title and the vin plate on the door jamb. Here are 3 photos of the engine block, door jamb or hinge pillar vin tag, and the Missouri title on a real 409 car I own. The Missouri title also shows 59 hp which is correct for the 409 engine. The hp of the engine and type of transmission was noted in the suffix of the engine assembly date, on my car its QC which is a 340 hp manual transmission. I hope this helps you understand how they were marked, if your car is missing the engine the only thing you can go by to tell if it was a 409 car would be by telltale signs like the size of the fuel line, holes for the ballast resistor, or some other things that would be specific to a 409 car.
Looks like I have enough information to start a scam!
Lets see how many people I can get to call you about this car for sale. LOL!
I would sell this car!!! LolLooks like I have enough information to start a scam!
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Looks like I have enough information to start a scam!
This is where I say,...... you aint got a hair on your a** if you don't.
Since we buy and sell about 250 cars a year at my work place we see all kinds of scams. Every time I think I have seen them all we find a new one.This is where I say,...... you aint got a hair on your a** if you don't.
Several years ago there was a guy I heard about that would provide build sheets properly yellowed and torn and deteriorated, dealership delivery paperwork, make ready paperwork, freight bill of lading, etc.
Pricy but he claimed he did a lot of work in the market place and no one ever discovered.
"Caveat Emptor", Buyer Beware!
Pricy but he claimed he did a lot of work in the market place and no one ever discovered.
"Caveat Emptor", Buyer Beware!
check the 3 speed trans code see if it is a 63 trans. 12 bolt? 409 radiator? return fuel line? engine date code? passenger side dip stick?
55Brodie
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12 bolt did not exist in 1963.
sorry meant posi-traction?
El Rat
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There was a beautiful 61 impala (SS) that showed up at a local but well attended car show. I looked at it as well as I could without being rude. The impala won the overall trophy and whatever else was offered. I talked to the impala’s rep who mentioned the car was forsale...185,000
It’s rumored that the car is bogus built from ground up with all new parts. Fake paper, VIN and bill of sale. I was told that it cost 100k to create.
It’s rumored that the car is bogus built from ground up with all new parts. Fake paper, VIN and bill of sale. I was told that it cost 100k to create.
In this day and age people "create" cars all of the time. We get all kinds of people trying to pass something off that it isn't but we are in the business and rarely get taken because we have searched the same options, codes, castings, suffix codes so many times we have all of the most popular forgeries memorized.