I am about 30 miles from Tampa where Shafer Reproduction Exhaust is located. I ordered a new 2 1/2 " exhaust foe my '63 Impala 409. I'll pick it up Monday and take it with me when I drive home to Western New York in early April. They gave me 15% off because they didn't have to ship it. I'm getting the cut pipes for two reasons. First is length of tail pipes uncut would be difficult to it in the Durango with all the other stuff I have to pack and secondly, I have a drive on lift, 8' pipes are hard to fish through as the lift gets in the way. I am getting the turbo mufflers but if I don't like the sound I will get some flowmaster 40's Loved their sound on my '65 GTO.